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In the Math, Son of Mathonwy section of the Mabinogion is the tale of the brothers Gilvaethwy and Gwydyon. After raping their cousin Goewin they are punished by their uncle Math, who uses a magic wand to change them into, respectively, a hind and a stag. A year later they return with a fawn, which ...more
From: mute , 244 months, post #1
In texts of the Mabinogion I have read, it is Gilfaethwy who rapes his cousin, and Gwydion helps him arrange to do it.

This would explain why Gilfaethwy came back female as Gelvae - although I have yet to find a reference to Gelvae anywhere other than this entry. I'm Welsh myself, and have looked over many different versions of the text without finding her.

I'd like to ask Zelmae where this reference came from?

mutetrans@hotmail.com

From: Zelmane , 231 months, post #2
Gelvae isn't mentioned in the Mabinogion, but there is a fragment in Welsh that survives that talks about a dispute that arose among the sons of Math, one evidently brought about by the bickering of their wives. Gelvae is mentioned there. I don't have the reference off hand; maybe someone else might know which fragment I'm talking about?

(I first heard about this one when I was in grad school and attending a conference of medievalist academics in Michigan. One of the papers given was about gener issues in the Mabinogion).

-Zelmane

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