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Ice Angel
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Made for TV Movie. Heaven can wait type plot. Macho hockey star killed before his time accidently by an angel is sent back in the beautiful body of America's best female Figure skater to have a chance of winning a gold medal. He is not very happy about being a girl! But he learns to skate like the ...more |
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From: anonymous*
, 245 months, post #1 |
hey is there any pics of the movie on the web?
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From: Glammazon*
, 244 months, post #2 |
As I mentioned in my James Bond story TIME ENOUGH FOR LOVE, the
brain of a male person would slowly feminize after it had been
placed in a female body - that is what I believe. Yes, it is
conceivable that a man could adapt to being in a woman's role - the
best example of this is your average japanese theatre player. There
is a group of these men - and believe me, they are all men - who
have trained for years to play the roles of females on the stage.
In fact, some of them have grown so obessed with playing the female
role that they wear female clothes in public. Also, there is the
case of the Chevalier de Beaumont, a man who was forced to dress up
in female clothes for the rest of his life at the age of 49 and did
so until his death at the age of 82 (he was of the somewhat radical
belief that gender need not be dependant on the physical body).
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From: STARMAN*
, 244 months, post #3 |
I search a copy of this movie, "ICE ANGEL"
Any format, DVD, VHS, original or a HOME COPY.
EMAIL ME TO josel41@prtc.net
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From: sara*
, 244 months, post #4 |
http://home.planet.nl/~rutte516/Photos/Movies/IceAngel.htm
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From: he who shall not be named*
, 244 months, post #5 |
in america this movie was played on fox family channel so you may
not find it on DVD and may have to use the irc to get a copy...i
think i watched it once and thought it was trite and a waste of
time...my sister thought the same thine....but it was the escape
factor that made us watch it together when it was on over winter
break... because it let us forget that there was a level 3 snow
emergency outside and that teh cars were burried under 5 feet of
snow...
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From: guest (TLove)
, 216 months, post #6 |
http://girltowoman.50megs.com/Ice_Angel.htm
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From: guest (TL)
, 216 months, post #7 |
Pretty good flick, but I would rather have woken up as the co-star,
Tara Lipinski.
http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/javiermoreno/tara19.html
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From: guest (Marvin)
, 216 months, post #8 |
Sure it's possible for a male mind to feminize if somehow placed
within a female body and brain. The arangement of how a female
brain works compared to a males would alter the thought processes.
The hormones would effect the emotional state and to a degree some
functions. Then the body would alter how the person would have to
simply move in order to acomodate their different proportions and
anatomy.
This would not make that person a woman however but physically at
least, female. I mean woman in the sense that they would behave and
be able to relate to others as a woman rather than from a man's
mental perspective. They would be socially being taken for and
treated as a woman and being expected to act and behave like one.
But with no experience as one they would be lost aside from some
stereotypical behaviors.
The key would be intent. If the person being put in there was
willing and wanted to be female then that would make the transition
easier and even preferable. If they where unwilling then you would
have a lot of mental and emotional and physical conflicts not to
mention physcological.
If the scenario was to have a male brain in a female body then it
would be even harder. The male brain would be effected by the
hormones and feminize to a degree and the body and social conditons
would still apply. But the male brain would still retain a lot of
male functionality and would again depend on the desire of the
subject to the transfer.
Even with a female body and hormones and sexual organs you can't
make a straight male in that body suddenly a straight woman. The
subject would still probably find the thought of sex with a male
revolting as much as they would have if they where still male.
Probably more so given the posistion they would now have to be in.
Again, it would be all up to the subjects willingness to the
change. It's not to say that over time the male in a female body
may not adopt more of a female lifestyle. They certainly would have
to in most respects at least physically. I don't think this would
be sexual but I'm sure the subject would at some point experiment
at least on their own.
This is an interesting concept (aside from being impossible). I
think the few things I read all have the person kind of just
adapting and changing to match their bodies and that is wrong. It
may happen over time but you can't just erase a lifetime of
knowledge and conditioning by changing sex.
I never saw this movie and like most things on Fox it's probably
worth avoiding. But given the person's frustration at being female
and discomfort it's probably more on the mark.
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From: cj
, 216 months, post #9 |
That has got to be one of the most well-articulated theories I've
read. Very easy to understand. Thanks, Marvin!
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From: guest (Ryan h)
, 216 months, post #10 |
the only thing i didn't like about it was that at the end, all his
memories are erased so that he doesnt know that he was a man in a
woman's body and just thinks that he was that woman all along,
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From: cj
, 216 months, post #11 |
yeah... that was a cop-out.
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From: guest (Toonoose)
, 216 months, post #12 |
The human brain is hard-wired in the womb by hormones. A male brain
placed in a female body would remain male with a male-oriented
sense of self. Ditto for a female brain in a male body. Otherwise,
how do you explain actual pre-hormone therapy/pre-operative
transgendered people who can spend their entire lives believing
themselves to be of "the wrong sex" even though their brains are
being soaked in the testosterone or estrogen of their physical
bodies? Their brains were permanently sexually oriented by the
"wrong" hormones prior to birth. Little boys who are "switched"
sexually as babies due to medical conditions such as absent penises
(or accidentally destroyed penises during circumcision, etc.) and
administered estrogen throughout their developing lives still view
themselves as fundamentally male and almost universally come to
psychologically screwed up ends unless they receive "reversal" sex
changes. Cross gendered brain transplants would result in minds at
odds with bodies. Sorry, but that's the most-widely recognized and
accepted medical opinion available at this time.
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From: guest (Suzanne de Nimes)
, 216 months, post #13 |
Given the fact that we're talking about manifestly impossible plot
devices, I'm a little amused by the utter certainty of these
analyses. In this case, we're not talking about a brain transplant,
but something like a "soul" or consciousness transplant. If such a
thing were possible, it would be quite different.
Here, for instance, the physical stuff inside that skater's brain
is unchanged, so it would be a "female brain," with all the
sex-related differences science is only now beginning to
understand. So a story like this is more about a female brain *and*
body that suddenly have a male "pilot" - or a consciousness that
remembers being male.
IMO, it's a pretty interesting avenue to explore, as you wouldn't
just be experiencing unfamiliar hormonal surges, physical
sensations and the like, but would actually *think* differently.
Potentially pretty interesting if not done in the stereotypical way
(e.g., "Suddenly I'm really interested in shoes!")
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From: guest (Marvin)
, 216 months, post #14 |
Toonoose is right about the "hardwiring" of the brain in a fetus.
Some recent studies have shown that homosexuals pocess traits in
that hardwiring of both sexes. Now it's not written in stone as far
as I seen but I have seen it mentioned a few times in articles
about sexual differences in the brain.
The gist of what i was saying was that giiven the scenario of
having a male brain in a female body would reslult in chaos for
that individual. The subject must be willing to except that gender
and all that comes with it in order for them to function with some
normalcy. There would be no experience or knowlege for the
individual to base anything on except cirmcumstancial ones. That
is, they may hang and socialize with women and feel comfortable
with them and even act to a degree the same but they still are not
female. Without having actually lived in a female body and
experienced growing up and the physical and social skills of a
female they are merely acting a role.
The same would be true with a "mind transfer" while improbable too
it would facilitate a better intergration of a female mindset on
the subject. That is they would be forced to think and process
their thoughts through a female brain and their thought process
would be altered to a more female model. It still does not adress
the issue of experience however.
In the case of this movie, the skater would display more feminine
emotional states and their thinking would be effected. However this
is still a male in thought and would find a female body all wrong.
The simple act of walking in a body different from your own would
be constantly telling your mind it's "wrong". Add to the
differences in a female body from height to hips and breasts the
subject would need time to redajust their mind to their anatomy.
Coordination and motor skills would all be off. The mind would be
telling them their reach is This and the physical reach is actually
This. A period of reorientation would be needed for the person to
acclimate to the basic skills. This doesn't mean they would have to
learn everything all over but they would need time to adjust.
This does not even relate to the differences in sexual organs both
primary and secondary. Then their is the social perceptions of a
straight man being viewed by what he percieves still as his fellow
men as a potential sexual object. It would be offensive to his
perceptions to have men now looking at him and worse since he could
not hide the more obvious differences. Coupled with his knowledge
of how a man thinks when looking at a girl would make him extremely
agitated and nervous/humiliated.
Simply put, the guy would be a basket case. It's not to say that
person could not adjust to a degree but doubtful they could ever
adopt that lifestyle well enough and be comfortable with it.
Still, if given the idea that the male mind in this case was put
into a female body with a fully functional female brain, hormonal
level and sexual orientation, the subject would be in conflict with
what their mind tells them they should be thinking and feeling and
wanting and what their body is actually experiencing. It's a
fictional story and the plot would not work if reality actually
came into it. Even if possible the subject would be in severe
conflict and would take years to adjust.
These are my thoughts on the matter not facts of course. I base it
on deduction and information I have read. Any who think that a
person can change sex (by whatever methods) and become that sex
without some difficulties is mistaken. Im sure we all agree on that
much.
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From: guest (Andrew)
, 216 months, post #15 |
...and of course there's the fact that, while the influence of any
prenatal hormonal screwup is still not fully understood, the "male"
or "female" nature of a brain is as basic, inherent, structural and
unchanging as race, height, or eye color.
Regardless of to what hormonal immersion a brain is subjected,
every single cell in the brain is either male or female from the
moment its assembly begins at fertilization.
XX and you get a female brain, XY and you get a male one.
Developmental malfunctions, accidental or deliberate mutilation,
hormonal misfires notwithstanding, the sex of the brain is what it
is, regardless of what artificial changes are made to the body...
or the wardrobe.
At least that's the way it works in the real world of biology,
where brain transplants may someday conceivably be possible.
Of course in the fantasy realm of the supernatural, magical
transformations, reincarnations, technological, or spiritually
executed "body swaps..." well... anything goes and the
possibilities are limited only by the imagination of the author.
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