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Toward a better level of less sloppy AI
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From: guest (Deej) , 29 days, post #1

I know it’s pointless to complain about product that’s being made primarily for fun and given away for free. So … naturally that’s what I’m about to do.

It’s clear we’re going to continue to get lots of AI based transformations stories. If those videos were displacing a healthy selection of other TG content, that would be a problem. But since transformation content is so sparse, especially in the US, it’s hard to be anything but grateful. I’m certainly looking at several of these videos each week, and the growth in quality on some channels is fantastic.

That said:

- Can we stop putting out videos that are nothing but a half dozen first draft results of the same unrefined prompt? These videos are mostly just low quality morphs and I think we’ve all seen enough.

- Channels that take the time to edit together something that looks more like a story than a scene are *very much* appreciated.

- Please, please, please take the five minutes effort it requires to keep characters consistent from one moment to the next. Every engine now makes this much easier and putting out a video where characters are hugely inconsistent just comes off as lazy.

- The same thing with voices. Please take the time to give the necessary prompts to keep the characters voices from having English accents in one scene, Russian in the next, and Indian ten seconds later.

- This is an absolute pet peeve, but i would really appreciate it if 99% of transformation scenes didn’t have the dialog “My hair! My voice! Etc.” Think of something new.

There are some genuinely good videos out there, and channels that are taking the time to put out a more polished product. They may not be getting rewarded with clicks in the current flood, but eventually, they will.

Thanks.

From: guest , 29 days, post #2

I'd be happy to try, as I'm semi-familiar with ComfyUi, and recently upgraded to a 5080. But my main issue is getting QUALITY. It seems semi-random. Nigh-identical runs range from pixel-and-noise-filled blurry jittery messes, to sometimes shockingly smooth and clear. But every guide out there is focused on getting as many runs as possible as fast as possible. But I wouldn't care if a single generation took hours, if it was truly good. Trying to find the settings for QUALITY stuff with Wan etc, is hard. It's all about " install this and this to get 20% faster runs". I want better, not faster. "More steps" usually isn't the answer. And many times, "fewer steps with a low-steps lora/model" turns out way better than the base model with many steps---which is the opposite of what's supposed to happen. (doing it faster with a lora/tuned model is SUPPOSED to sacrifice quality for time/steps----yet almost every workflow I try, the "faster compromised" version is almost always much higher quality than the raw, slow original version).

From: guest (Deej) , 29 days, post #3

Here are some channels I’ve noticed doing interesting things and videos that go beyond just basic scenes

TG TF Stories (mini-movies with some interesting plots and situations)
Body Swap Shift (animation style swaps, old B&W films, music videos)
Cosmos18-Redux (a long, multi-part Hallmark-style film with a swap)
TG MTF Stories (some familiar tropes well executed)

For creators, there are a lot of tutorials up now for achieving character consistency. (There are so many different tools, but take a look at Youri van Hofwegen’s channel, or Tim explains AI).

From: guest (Cytotoxic) , 29 days, post #4

Trouble is moderation flagging it kills any chance of making anything good

From: guest , 29 days, post #5

AI has actually gotten very good. The issue is people want free AI content. The best AI TG content is currently paid content.

The ones that are really good are the people who combine AI generated content with heavy Adobe Premier/After Effects. The bad ones are the prompt engineers. Won't advertise the exact ones since AI is still AI but you're starting to see an explosion of pretty good AI videos on Instagram that are making the animation less smooth (smooth movement is a hallmark of AI gen content)

From: Polover , 28 days, post #6

Honestly, if someone made a legit guide on how to punch up AI generations, and make coherent stories I would 100% make an effort into it.

I've been so inspired by this 零林2015 dude on BiliBili but I have no idea how he does it!
I've tried once before with Hailuo back in the day, but I couldn't even get to 18seconds without immense struggle to the point that I just gave up (that and I couldn't afford a continuous AI subscription anymore). But I'd maybe put down enough money for 1 month if I knew I had the tools and knowledge to actually have something I like at the end of it.

From: guest , 28 days, post #7

@guest/post #5

"The issue is people want free AI content."

Are you seriously suggesting that people should want to pay for AI generated content? It takes next to no effort to type in a prompt for tg content these days. Maybe we should support creators who actually take the time to draw or put effort into their art/media.

From: guest , 28 days, post #8

Good artists copy, great artists steal

From: hskfmn , 28 days, post #9

Substantive discussion concerning the new technology and its uses is welcomed and encouraged…but if this just turns into yet another AI bashing thread, I’m locking it down. We already have plenty of those.

This is your first and only warning.

From: guest (Deej) , 28 days, post #10

@Polover,

From what I’ve seen, one good place to start is with Nanabanana Pro. It is aces at maintaining character consistency in images with different outfits, lighting, etc. Those images can then be used as reference in videos. There are also scene management tools, like Higgsfield, that make this easier, but you are edging into things that will cost at least a small amount of money.

From: guest (von) , 28 days, post #11

The changing of accents, mixing up of lines, etc. is definitely annoying. There definitely is a need for an upgrade in quality of AI.

From: Generic guest name , 28 days, post #12

@guest (von) post #11 if I'm not mistaken there was an article or something of the matter that discussed how ai has hit the proverbial celling and the only way the article said is to basically give our personal data to the machine so it can grow more. The kinda ironic part of that statement is we are technically already giving our data to it from just chatting it

From: guest (mtf lover) , 28 days, post #13

@ post 12: i read some of those articles too, however it's not convincing me because there are still many aspects AI can be improved not based on it's training parameters or the number of knowledge inserted into the machine. The majority of AI nowadays (particularly LLM) focuses on making context memories more efficient, like DS4 Engram method, to make AI more cost-efficient, or intelligent benchmarks.
more training parameter isn't always means smarter. there's a brand new stealth multimodal model called Healer alpha, and stealth text-only model called Hunter Alpha, boasting up to 1T (trillion) parameter inserted and up to 1M context window, but imho and others in some AI coding discords, it's considerably less efficient and less capable on memory retention compared to lets say, Gemini or Opus. On image generation or video generation, it depends on the predictor model.

PS: to someone calling out i'm ignorant about AI few months ago (which was deleted by a mod), i can prove i know some things about it and had firsthand experience in free AI trials particularly LLM.

From: guest , 28 days, post #14

I’m doing my part (reporting any AI video i see for inappropriate content 🫡)

From: greendoubleaught , 28 days, post #15

I make a fair amount of AI-generated content for DeviantArt — stills, not videos. It's true, you can crank out a huge number of bad results, a handful of not-very-good results, and one or two barely worthy of being put on the refrigerator. Often, it takes a keen eye and (if I may modestly say so) a certain artistic flair to sculpt the prompt, to direct the composition, and to handle the inpainting techniques, to turn a fridge-worthy image into a really good piece of content.

People are excited to share what they feel that they've made. (Perhaps "they" and "made" should be in quotes.) That's okay. People are allowed to be excited about it. I think the solution isn't to have fewer excited and motivated creators, it's to have a dedicated place to share these AI videos — and the tips and tricks for making them — that doesn't imply (as this website does) that it is a finished product. Maybe the OP could start a Discord server for gathering all this up in one place, with a "just playing around" section and a "story content" section.

From: guest (Picassos Ghost) , 28 days, post #16

"Good artists copy, great artists steal" was my response defending AI for a while until I read who popularized it and why.

On the surface it justifies stealing art or says the only way to become a great artist is to steal but its a bit more nuanced than that. Pablo Picasso who popularized that saying before Steve Jobs stole it, said "stealing" isn't about plagiarism or theft, but rather about internalization and reinterpretation, often transforming the original to the point where it becomes a new, unique creation. In that I think the word "stealing" is not a good one to use.

Technically AI just copies patterns, it really doesn't "know" what it is doing, its just following established pattern recognition (training with huge datasets). It does that at crazy fast speeds so its seems way smarter and more intelligent than it is. Its not internalizing, or reinterpreting or even transforming, Its merely copying, which I don't give a shit about but that quote is misinformed for this argument and i would recommend not using it.

The future will be filled with editors not artists. Just like when Procreate first came out the feeds were filled with shit drawings from an ipad. Same thing here, a flood of garbage with a gem floating here or there. And the difference is the human touch, someone curating or redoing or not settling for first gen. The vids of dudes transforming into girls are all terrible because every scene cut look like a dif person.

People complained when digital art became popular, "That's not real art!" If you draw digitally you are cheating they said. Also there is already a small amount of artificial intelligence in all your digital art, brush attributes/qualities, line correction(cheater), control-z (cheater), layers(cheater), etc. Procreate, Photoshop all those programs have brush attributes that don't use "real" art. Same thing with photography a hundred years before, that's not art someone argued.

Anything can be art, Marcel Duchamp in 1917 submitted a urinal titled "fountain" to the Society of Independent artists exhibition. Signed "R. Mutt" to challenge traditional definitions of art. They ended up refusing to display the piece, which only gave the tale more power arguing the artist's choice and concept (prompt) are more important than the manual craftsmanship (paint, pencil, pixels).

In the end I welcome any art, AI or otherwise, I don't care how you made it, especially to this particular "niche" that is always starved for any content, if it takes filtering out some crap so be it, I would rather that then not get anything. Before people complained we were not getting anything new, now people are complaining because we are getting too much new, me thinks people just like to complain.

From: guest (Deej) , 27 days, post #17

I also want to mention the channel AI Swap Stories as one that’s held my attention on several videos.

While some of these are compilations, they tend to be multiple takes at longer pieces, some of which other channels would publish on their own. The videos often have a playful, more upbeat quality. They’re not afraid to be goofy, and they often feature characters who are excited by an unexpected change rather than going through the shocked face-my hands-my hair-my voice mantra so many channels fall back on.

There are still some technical problems (particularly in getting words in the mouth of the right characters), but I’ve found the channel to be fun and willing to try new things.

From: guest (Deej) , 21 days, post #18

Just wanted to mention the latest video on the channel “Sexy Transformations.’ It’s a 20 minute version of Stepford Wives with a MTF twist. Excellently done with good voice and face consistency.

From: guest (Deej) , 20 days, post #19

Another high quality video from the Sexy Transformation channel. Not sure how this creator is cranking out relatively lengthy videos so quickly, but the skilled editing and knowledge of the tools is clear. Some problems with voices and accents in this one, but the way the transformed character looks like a female version of his earlier self is great.

https://youtu.be/ayaPyqfI4RU?si=7tANXFX8wjx8K8K2

From: guest (TG TF Stories) , 19 days, post #20

Hi Deej, I agreed with you in everything you said and tranks for the complement on post #3.

Yes indeed, AI is getting progress, still some videos very lame but plenty of creators are doing a great job (Like Alicia Shifts, Sexy Transformation, Digital Dream Films, at least I watch videos from them).

Speaking for myself, I trying to make videos thinking on what I wanted to see on a TG story. Of course, sometimes the videos are better and some stories too; but it do take time and is laborious to make a long lenght video (Some videos takes over 80 clips) but it worth when you start to get support and, in my case, see other channels remaking stories I made haha

I also get that people who resist AI videos, I hated myself some creators who make non-sense videos just for easy views; but now videos are evolving and there is more quality content. Resist that and complain about every AI content creator has no sense, especially because we haven't had new, quality content for a long time. I'm not saying AI is quality content, but complain about videos improving is like complain about having new stories -There are even videos without AI that are really terrible-, eventually and more soon than later AI videos will be as good as filmed ones and made by someone who really are in the TG comunity.
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Of course, there is a lot to keep improving but AI is evolving and we have to evolve too; the way I see it is if we want good content we have to make ourselves, and yeah the old way with actors and actresses are ideal but too expensive and in some cases with poor acting/effects (And for me, it's hard to find a production who gets the real impact of a TF. I wanna rip my eyes when I see a man turned into a woman without realizing he's in a woman's body, it's like C'mon you have tits, your organs changed, how tf you didn't realice until you were in front of a mirror.

I say all this objectively. Even though I'm a creator and I work with AI, I recognize that there are still details to improve in many ways, but there has certainly been significant progress in just a few months. Sky is limit!

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