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From: guest (Guest 21)
, 12 days, post #1 |
The fact that this group won’t even allow any opposing opinions on
the influx of AI videos flooding our niche is sad. I agree if we
don’t like the videos ignore them. However have to sift through
hundreds of them in a search for non ai body swap content is a
problem at this point. And admin this is not a post attacking
anyone just an opinion and observation.
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From: guest (Thepen)
, 12 days, post #2 |
It's making me crazy dude how many AI videos I stumbled while
looking for genuine TG content. Look I don't really have a problem
with AI generated videos. However, it's crazy how many of them
right now. There should be a consensus that when you post AI videos
on YouTube or somewhere you have to explicitly state that it's AI.
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From: guest (pakistan666)
, 12 days, post #3 |
Yes, is getting boring seeing those video, most of them the effect
are trash.
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From: guest (MadNutter)
, 11 days, post #4 |
Same thoughts. A fair few have amazing effects, but the majority
are just not my cup of tea. I get that our interests are niche and
it can be pretty dry content-wise, but flooding it with
AI-generated slop isn't helping things
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From: guest
, 11 days, post #5 |
My question to the mods is - why is us discussing this a bad thing?
If the original thread hadn't been deleted, then there would
probably have been a few more comments moaning about the volume of
repetitive TG/TF content, then it would have fizzled away. The fact
the threads keep getting deleted is what's keeping people's
attention on it.
And I'm not anti-AI. I use ChatGPT, I've used sites like Minimax
and Vidu a go for video generation. I think the Bigfoot memes
created on VEO3 are hilarious. Hell I even set up ComfyUI locally
to generate some uncensored TG stuff. What I don't like is the
sheer amount of slop created, not just in our community but on the
internet as a whole.
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From: guest
, 11 days, post #6 |
I'm not home rn, but there are youtube extensions that I can send
once I get home that can block certain youtube channels if you want
to limit the amount of AI content appearing on your feed
If this thread is still up
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From: hskfmn
, 11 days, post #7 |
If you notice, I haven't deleted this thread. And why would I?
There's nothing wrong with a healthy discussion/debate, or voicing
of opinions. What I will delete is anything rude, insulting, or
people demanding that content creators stop posting to this board
for literally no other reason other than because they happen to not
like the AI content they generate and post (for free, I might add).
Such an expectation is not only unrealistic, it's unreasonable. As
I've stated many times before, if you don't like the content (which is always
clearly marked and posted to the appropriate threads), then don't
watch it.
But again, AI-generated material is not going away...if anything,
it's only going to become much
more commonplace. So love it, hate it...whatever. What you do
have to do is get used to it,
because it's here to stay. That's not an indictment or criticism
of anyone...it's just a plain and simple fact
.
So, no...AI has not "rotted my brain". I'm simply acknowledging
objective reality.
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From: guest
, 11 days, post #8 |
It’s objectively true that moderators go way overboard deleting
criticism of AI videos though - I’ve seen posts as innocuous as
complaining about the fact people are being encouraged to upload
infinite slop to youtube and clog search results met with deletion.
It’s a problem and it’s annoying, and it’s NOT actually restricted
to these threads when it’s filling up every search result. I also
don’t think “get used to it” is a fair response when you’re
actively deleting criticism of the practice and only leaving up
praise, which is tacitly encouraging it.
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From: guest
, 11 days, post #9 |
It’s also, frankly, mostly a scam rather than genuine content.
People are clicking on these video and met with poorly rendered
glitchy autogenerated slop, but the view count still goes up
because the videos are so short. I think criticism of the ‘content’
is totally fine for this reason.
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From: guest (probably going to get deleted)
, 11 days, post #10 |
It's just so spammy. We don't need 800 posts saying "wow! My slop
looks slightly less awful now!", only to be backed up with the
frankly full of themself mod locking any discussion and going "gEt
UsEd tO it".
That's not fostering a healthy message board. That's plugging your
fingers in your ears and going "lalalalalalala"
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From: guest (lobstromonos)
, 11 days, post #11 |
It's good that we're having a (fairly) civil discussion about it.
Here's my 2 cents
I don't mind the AI generated stuff when there's substance and
context to it, mainly because that's what I like about body swap/
transformation stuff in general. I respect the content creators
that take the time to a 2-3 minute video with some sort of story or
flow, be it AI or animated or IRL. And I look forward to seeing how
those creators use the technology as it improves and develops.
I feel that's what this community respects and enjoys, when someone
takes the time and effort to create something that fits our niche.
Look at the support Three Degrees Off Center and Pamela Sutch got
when they uploaded, or more recently how much people encouraged
buying/renting that Carnal Vessels film instead of pirating it.
Problem is that's only about 5% of the content, the other 95% is
just compilations of near-identical 5 second "a
possession/transformation/bodyswap scene set in a
school/laboratory/bedroom" clips repeated 10-12 times with
different characters. Yes, it's free, but just because something's
free doesn't mean it's good. It's low effort, and I suspect a a
fair few of their clips are taken from Discord groups and other
channels. I say that as that happened to me - posted a clip to the
VEO3 discord, within 10 minutes some a-hole had taken that clip,
added some horrendous effects then posted it to their Youtube.
I think that's why everyone's been so taken aback by the mod
responses to it. Instead of leaving a "let's keep things civil"
comment on the original thread, nuking it makes it look like the
mods have something to hide.
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From: guest (lobstromonos)
, 11 days, post #12 |
Also, the whole "don't tell content creators to stop posting
because you don’t like their content" angle is how we ended up with
sludge like Kwebbelkopp or The Emoji Movie
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From: guest (Guest 21)
, 11 days, post #13 |
Yes this is the very point I was getting at
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From: Moose
, 11 days, post #14 |
As someone whos not a fan of AI content themselves, I will play
devils advocate here and bring up this, usually on this board
whenever other content is posted thats not m2f or f2m, you
constantly see people go "ew f2m" etc.
So maybe when people are displeased over AI content, because of the
tendencies of other members on the board, it comes off as "EW AI"
when in reality there might be some frustrations with the amount of
oversaturation of AI content on youtube now.
I do feel like metamorphose.org should be a place that we can talk
about our grievances of AI for those of us that dislike that form
of content, but we need to be more fleshed out when speaking on the
parts we don't like. For me the main issue is a dedicated youtube
channel that posts AI content, will post 50 videos in one day that
are all 30seconds to a minute long, and all of it is the same
thing, men either possessing or body swapping with a women and
commenting "Wow I'm a woman" this on its own isn't bad, but the
benefit of AI should be we should be able to make even longer
content in the forms of parts. In the past, people who would post
clips on youtube similar to the AI videos, but this had the benefit
of if you wanted more content, you could find more by finding the
source
The best part of TG for me is the impersonation and interaction
aspect which I feel like AI could take advantage of but no one has
done so yet. Granted I could make that content for myself as well
since most of these tools if I understand are free.
Finally to @hskfmn, your a great mod, constantly taking on the
trolls on the board, and making sure this board is maintained so
your work is always appreciated. I did want to respond to your
point though about AI being here to stay, which Im not so sure
about. Many people said the same thing about NFTs and Crypto, which
are still around but not as prevalent once the hype period ended,
and all the tech bros moved onto AI. I think in a few years the
hype for AI might peak, and itll end up being treated as just
another tool such as Photoshop or Video Editing softwares. But only
time will tell us that part!
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From: hskfmn
, 11 days, post #15 |
@Moose
Thank you for your kind, considerate words. This is exactly what
I'm talking about when I say it's good to have a calm, rational
debate about a subject which absolutely is
important, and should be discussed...just in a civil manner, like
you just did. I have my own comments and opinions about the content
being put out here. But as a mod, I feel I need to remain objective
and dispassionate, as much as others may hate me for that...kinda
comes with the job unfortunately.
In terms of the future of AI, could be you're right. I myself see a
burgeoning new system and way of generating text, audio, and visual
media...and I see it taking off to heights that we would scarcely
dream possible. I guess it's one of those "wait and see" kind of
things.
But again, thank you for your logical, measured approach. I hope
this discussion can continue in the same vein.
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From: guest
, 11 days, post #16 |
It’s honestly really not that new of a thing, versions of this have
existed for decades. What has changed is mostly just the fact it’s
the latest fixation and profit exploitation tool for silicon
valley, which is really only sustained by having an army of poorly
paid data trainers sorting through things for 19 hours a day and
giant facilities burning through years worth of electricity in
months. Once that becomes unprofitable (which is fairly soon at
this rate), the industry will move on to the next thing and we’ll
be left with a much slower and less hype-based progression of the
technology mostly being used on the backend, like it was before.
This is also kind of reflected in the actual quality of VEP and
ChatGPT products - they’re all virtually identical and it’s kind of
impossible to produce something that could be considered an actual
story, since LLMs are built almost exclusively to be support for
backend tasks. At most, it’s good for five second shitposts that
probably needs to be redubbed by actual actors for voice stuff.
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From: guest (Captain Pickle)
, 11 days, post #17 |
I'm old enough to remember the ancient era before computers, when
dinosaurs roamed the earth, houses were $50k, Art Bell was on the
radio, and you could travel the US-Canada border without any
documentation.
Then power point and photoshop were invented and we had a period
with AWFUL power point and photoshop slop. We had logos with Comic
Sans fonts, and slides with rainbow text. Then we had webpages with
background music and font textures. Images had all sorts of bad
photoshop filters and people with no graphics knowledge or artistic
insight just cut and paste CLIPART together and called themselves
digital artists.
Clipart was the original digital slop.
Slop has always been around. Its people given a new easy tool and
slapping it on everything. They're just excited to have this new
tool. But it will never replace actual talent and insight. It's
happened before, and it's happening again.
But slop is temporary for the most part. I don't see people using
comic sans or rainbow texts anymore. Webpages don't have background
music. After a few years... or several... people eventually get it
out of their system.
I think AI slop will also go that way once the tools stabilize.
Photoshop added tons of new features in the first several years,
now they're more incremental.
AI is exploding right now, but once it stabilizes and improvements
become incremental, people will work it out of their system and
gravitate toward a set of best practices. Clipart has become so
refined that people now call it stock images.
I don't like the slop... but i don't think we need a specific rule
against it. Just the general rules of no spam, no flooding, no
brigading. etc. etc.
Like rainbow text, it will eventually pass.
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From: Generic guest name
, 11 days, post #18 |
Everything is a fad on the internet and it'll go away, no matter
how high effort or low effort something is it'll eventually go away
in a matter of time.
I am guilty of using AI for writing stories but I keep it to myself
as it's only for fun and see how far I can push the AI before it
starts to censor itself or brick. I think using them in moderation
is the best way of using it in a lot of senses
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From: guest (guest)
, 11 days, post #19 |
File a complaint or suggestion with Youtube to add a filter option
for AI created content. If there are enough of you, perhaps they
will consider it.
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From: guest (Ye)
, 10 days, post #20 |
- 18 - I think it’s pretty delusional to think that AI is just going
to go away. AI is definitely not as good as many think it is but
it’s improving pretty rapidly and is going to keep getting better.
Just look at AI videos a year ago, versus now. Before they were
incomprehensible messes and now they even have audio. Anything that
removes the need for certain types of labor is the kind of tech
that is very unlikely to just disappear
I’m fine with AI content as long as it’s kept isolated from real
videos and such. I think this site does a decent job at that, most
AI posts are kept to their respective threads and there’s still
plenty of non AI posts. YouTube sucks though, and I think it will
be a while before they implement any AI filtering. The reality is
that it hasn’t impacted most people so unless you’re into something
very niche like us, you probably haven’t run into the deluge of AI
gen videos like us. It would be ideal if every video was clearly
marked in the title at least but we can’t force everyone to do that
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