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From: guest (Brian G)
, 33 months, post #1 |
I've been thinking about mangas lately, their stories are still
pure and flows well. Comics especially westerns had this political
agenda going on and its 'diversity' agenda felt forced and those
'additions' felt out of place. So, any good mangas besides One
Piece?
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From: Shard
, 33 months, post #2 |
Inclusivity and equality seems forced but that's because you've
been catered to and sheltered. The world, let alone the USA, isn't
just men, or just Caucasian people.
I've thought about this for a while, why are all heroes men in the
west? Because most who came up with the character, who wrote the
character, and their target audience are all white males. We're
only seeing this transition now because we need better writers,
those that can make a great story without every female being a
damsel in distress, or a reflection of the writers fantasy that
women are just there to look good, or every person of color being
just a token of a certain culture. A great hero can be any gender
and/or any race if written well. I just hope they break away from
all these heroes that have easy access to vast amounts of cash
(which is a separate argument to be had another time about
subconsciously making people think the vastly wealthy are heroes).
The comic industry has also realized they can make comics for
people other than white males, so financially it's advantageous to
broaden the market (and all media is following suite as well, they
want the money!).
Just look around you. Go outside. Talk to people. No one fits into
those stereotypes, or some do but more from societal pressures
because "this is how I'm supposed to look/act" but when you really
get to know people you can see beyond the image they present to the
rest of the world and see how great (or horrible....they're out
there too) everyone is, and you could almost make a story for each
of them. The stereotypes are going away is all.
And for a while you're going to see white men and white women as
the only enemies for heroes to face, but eventually when we get
people that can write better we can have a diverse collection of
heroes and villains for people to cheer and jeer for, and 20 years
from now western comics will reflect the diversity we as a nation
have instead of only representing the 49.2 % that is male and 61 %
that is Caucasian only. Are 50% of the comics female heroes? Out of
those female heroes, are they oversexed because they're marketed to
males instead of to females? Out of all comics are 18.5 % Hispanic?
12.2 % Black? 5.6 % Asian? How man are gay, or trans, or insert
whatever from the LGBTQ....we're just starting to break the "white
savior" stereotype and not white-washing things as much. There's a
vast wealth of untapped potential from diversity, we just don't
know how to write it (because most writers are still mostly white
males), but just give it a while.
Manga however has more creativity to it than western stories, but
some still fall into the same tropes and stereotypes, you just cast
a blind eye to it because of how imaginative and different it is to
western writing, and with Japan trying to stay segregated from
other cultures they don't have the diversity we have out here, but
they tried a little with Bleach. They have much better writers, and
their villains have real motives usually, they're not evil "just
because". Claymore is a great series, one of the few anime that
made me buy the whole manga series just to see what happens next,
and Berserk is great (although with the untimely death of Kentaro
Miura unsure of how that is going to either be finalized or handled
with less detail since it's Hakusensha Inc.'s cash cow and I think
the only thing they've done that is recognizable is Fruits Basket),
but neither of those have what you might be looking for (well, a
little shapeshifting in Claymore).
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From: guest (Brian G)
, 33 months, post #3 |
Talk to friends? they're still sticking on One Piece. There goes
the free lecture.
I'm not saying that I didn't like the diversity, its the writing
that made it seemed forced.
Robert Kirkman (Walking Dead, Invincible, Outcast) was the only
writer I know, and enjoy, that had mastered this diversity
exposure.
I was searching for mangas not just with good stories but also art
and appeal, that's why I bothered to ask here. I'm sitting out the
'transition' phase because I'm not enjoying the story made around
the exposing diversity agenda (looking at you Marvel & DC).
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From: guest (Passerby)
, 33 months, post #4 |
While at it, please follow the theme of the forum. So, please
recommend a great and interesting manga with Tf content. This is
just me being noisy, but this is a Tf forum after all.
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From: guest (Brian G)
, 33 months, post #5 |
If its about the "pure", I think I should've said good, enticing,
emphatic and immersive stories instead of new characters solely
because of diversity and ended up not memorable. X-Men was and
still the epitome of the diversity concept and the reality of
racisms. I didn't empathize and enjoy this book solely on the
majority white-washing, and this is where awesome characters like
Sunspot, Storm, Colossus, Magik, Madame Hydra came from.
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I thoug
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From: guest (Brian G)
, 33 months, post #6 |
Chill, its all about the intention
Purely enjoyable not because of the race and colors
Purely enjoyable for the BRILIANT PLOT amidst the DIVERSIVE appeal.
Come on, you think you're patient for these two to happen?
smh.
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From: guest (Brian G)
, 33 months, post #7 |
So...
- Claymore
- Berserk
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From: guest (Watari)
, 33 months, post #8 |
The best manga in terms of actual storyline/plot/relatedness is
probably Shingeki no Kyojin. People think it's super hyped up
because of the anime, but the reason it's so heavily acclaimed is
because of the incredible storyline. It's not like Full Metal
Alchemist or other Shonen animes with super happy endings. You
actually get a sense of "things will turn out alright but it'll be
a bittersweet journeya long the way full of sadness and sorrow."
There were some questionable things happening towards the end of
the manga, but the majority of it is arguably one of the best in
modern history.
Shingeki no Kyojin has a lot of TF stuff in it from people
transforming into giant humanoids.
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From: guest
, 33 months, post #9 |
Jagaaaaaan has an interesting TG subplot around 54, about the a
side character obtaining absorption powers and using it on a girl
inside an apartment. I think about 40 chapters later (with the main
plot happening in between) explores his/her thoughts and ambitions
after becoming the girl.
However the story stops revolving around her as she become more of
a walking fanservice used by the writer.
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From: guest (Casmir)
, 33 months, post #10 |
Everywhere in my bubble (and beyond) I see quoted "data" about
Marvel and DC comics not selling in the US market and being beaten
headlong by Manga for years. Extremely sad that this becomes a
breeding ground for LGBT hatred (but also any "non-white-man"
hatred) when Marvel releases its Voices focusing on minority
characters. So I would like to verify it and maybe someone will
read it and stop repeating this nonsense.
The sentence "Mangas sell better in the US market than Marvel and
DC" is almost as true as the famous "This is the best book since
the Bible", except for the sentence "if no book had been written in
the meantime." You know - like a real quote, but a little lack of
context. I often repeat how archaic and fossilized the local market
is. You can clearly see the changes, but they are very, very slow
(although during the pandemic there have been some really big moves
in the distribution switch from the previous monopoly "Diamond
Comics"). Still the most popular model of comic consumption is ...
notebooks. Yes, the little ones filled with commercials, way too
expensive, easily destructive crap. For years, I have been dreaming
that this would change and a subscription model would appear (with
the current offer), or a definite transition to collective volumes
(we get comics from overseas in this form). Well, but so far the
notebook still dominates. And I'm talking about it because if you
see the notebooks, the manga is neither widu nor heard in the top
ten. Do you know what reigns? SAME AS ALWAYS. Events, Batman, some
X-Men, some Spider-Man and a lot more Batman. Ah, of course I would
forget about the famous ones where in March we had the ones called
"Alien" and "Brzkr". EXACTLY THE SAME SITUATION WE HAVE SEEN FOR
YEARS.
Am I satisfied with the current situation? Damn it. Some time ago,
I significantly limited the number of titles read a month to just a
few, because this distribution model just made me tired. Americans,
however, who are, after all, the most important market for Marvel
or DC, still do not get tired (well, they tire, but much slower
than me) and stubbornly buy Batman notebooks. Not manga.
Dominance in collective editions is (unfortunately) still a
relatively small part of the market in the US. So small that until
recently new series were canceled after poor notebook sales, even
if they were doing quite collectively afterwards. I assume that
hasn't changed either.
Also please - stop repeating this nonsense, and certainly do not
stick to them with a mouthful of political correctness or other
misused phrases of the 21st century.
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From: guest (Casmir)
, 33 months, post #11 |
And about Manga ?
I think Murder Princess is really good
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From: guest
, 33 months, post #12 |
lol get a life instead of crying on an obscure forums about shitty
comic books that no one buys
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From: guest (Brian G)
, 33 months, post #13 |
So...
Claymore, Berserk, Shingeki no Kyojin, Jagaaaan, Murder Princess
(I've seen the anime but still curious for its manga, like Yamada
and the Seven Witches' case)
Thanks, except post #12.
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From: guest (Casmir)
, 33 months, post #14 |
Murder Princess manga has also other ending than anime
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From: guest (W)
, 33 months, post #15 |
Honestly, even though this isn't really a TG-related thread, it
still brings life to the forums with activity. The reason why this
place has been dying is because of a lack of new TG content and
willingness to just chat on the forums. If we shun posts like this,
we're just letting ourselves fall further into obscurity
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From: Shard
, 33 months, post #16 |
I've only watched the first 2 seasons of Attack on Titan (Shingeki
no Kyojin), but I haven't read the manga, but easily up there with
Claymore and Berserk (I've always been into dark fantasy, and not
everyone might be into that stuff). And Berserk and Claymore do
have transformations, so these are relevant to the forum. Fruits
Basket I've heard is good (just never read or watched any myself),
but I've been wanting to read Ranma 1/2, the anime was super
entertaining and the characters were great! The Naruto anime had a
disgusting amount of filler but if the manga doesn't have that it
should be right up there with One Piece and Bleach (which were the
Shonen trilogy for a reason).
If I was going to suggest something not from this board One Punch
Man is amazing satire on the hero genre. Parasyte was interesting,
and I always suggest Death Note to people who are new to
anime/manga (just avoid the live action movie).
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From: guest (Xceed)
, 33 months, post #17 |
I found one in chap 140 of Berserk, its not long but the art style
was graphic and real-like that made it good.
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From: guest (Xceed)
, 33 months, post #18 |
Thanks
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From: guest (guest)
, 33 months, post #19 |
@Shard Why Death Note?
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From: Shard
, 33 months, post #20 |
Death Note has a lot of good twists and turns, and it's easy to
side with the hero and the villain. You see everyone's motivations
and go "Given that sort of power, what would I do with it?" It's
not "overly anime" and maintains a more serious tone through a
majority of it, and I normally don't like any crime or detective
shows but this I think was handled well.
And for those that don't know, a kid gets a notebook that when they
write names into it, that person dies. When people start dropping
of course the police get involved, and I think everything was
handled expertly in the series (which was such a shame the live
live action was such a dud, they had Willem Dafoe as Ryuk which was
the only good thing about it at all). People I've had watch it
didn't expect it to be as serious as it was because "it was a
cartoon," and handles heavy themes, which opens them up to watching
other anime.
Now I could suggest Trigun, Outlaw Star, Space Dandy, and Tenchi
Muyo if they like space westerns like Firefly (which Firefly took a
couple ideas from Outlaw Star anyways). Another good more serious
toned anime would be Cowboy Bebop, Claymore, as well as Samurai
Champloo (and Parasyte, which that one has you asking yourself
"What does it mean to be human and what is our place in the
universe?"). Gungrave is more serious and has a nice buildup, not a
first timer anime but possibly a strong second anime when getting
into watching anime.
Ranma 1/2 is a great story and while it has the main character
swapping genders it isn't handled in an adult perverted way which
is nice and allows it to be watched by younger people, and does
have hilarious interactions and fights/competitions. Samurai 7 and
Katanagatari seem like it's almost for kids a lot of the time until
you are at the last episode or two (almost like the whole family
could watch it and the kids will get one thing out of it and they
will get something different out of it when they watch it when
they're older, lots of action and a deep story kids won't pay
attention to). Bleach is great for people that want to see fights,
there's usually an underdog and twist after twist in a lot of
fights. The same could almost be said for Naruto as well but it has
great history and worldbuilding, and I haven't watched Boruto yet
you can easily see how it's a series that could go for multiple
generations if they wanted. Saiyuki is an alright adventure anime
with 4 guys (one gun toting smoking priest and 3 demons) that argue
and fight with each other until it's time to fight, an interesting
take on The Journey to the West story.
Now Berserk and Attack on Titan are very gritty, graphic, and
intense. The Berserk manga is crafted with immense care, each panel
almost being a work of art with incredible detail with a
interesting story, all crafted by the recently deceased Kentaro
Miura. The "first season" of the anime is almost a direct copy of
the manga, and the second does seem to stray from the manga story
(and people complain about the CG used to animate it instead of the
traditional animation style the first season had) but the story is
well thought out and dark. There are also a trilogy of movies you
might still be able to find on Netflix, and they are a lot of CG
but recap the story told in the first season that sums up a lot of
stuff as well as being it's own entity.
And Elfen Lied....it bounces from being almost a slice or life
anime to people getting limbs ripped off. Another intense one I
wouldn't recommend for someone just starting out watching anime,
but maybe a watch after you've put a few heavy anime under your
belt (which you see a lot of it's influences in Stranger Things).
Birdy the Mighty is ok but more could have been done with it. And
finally Crying Freeman...interesting story but it's mostly just
smutt ^_-
So that's really why I say Death Note for people who are new to
anime. It's not all Dragonball Z with the yelling and fights
(because EVERYBODY knows DBZ), it shows anime can be deep and have
a well thought out story that is adult and not be porn. It's more
based in reality and doesn't have overly supernatural or fantasy
elements in it, just dips it's toes in enough like Gungrave and
still tells a great story with young adults as the protagonists, so
it's much easier to relate to the characters.
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