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From: guest , 39 months, post #1

real talk, not trolling here but wondering because transgender people have a high suicide rate

From: guest (Harambe) , 39 months, post #2

I see "transgender" as an act, not as another gender since its not biological but its synthetic.

Its the real-deal of 'turning into something that you're not'.

It is so "suicide" because they knew the truth, of their old self, past gender.
Its rather a burden with more lies since one had to mimic and act as the opposite gender.

From: guest (Covid 19 vaccine will kill you) , 39 months, post #3

I think most people (transgender or not) have gone through a period in their life where they think about suicide. I will admit that there are times when I have thought about it but I don't even identify myself as transgender. I have a fascination with transformations but I don't consider myself "transgender". And I don't think I was ever really serious about going through with suicide. If I wanted to commit suicide, I would take the Covid 19 vaccine (look at what happened to Hank Aaron after he got the vax). If you want to die, you don't worry about that. Death is inevitable. But I choose life so there you go.

From: MissMako , 39 months, post #4

The percentage of Post Transition Suicide is extremely low when compared to Pre Transition. Not the other way around. Post Transition suicide drops to 3% which then is often the bi-product of bullying and non-supportive people around a Trans Person causing them harm and depression (something we do not tolerate here at Metamorphose BTW)

Why do suicide rates drop so dramatically for people after they transition?

Because most people after Post Transition are happier and are no longer struggling with Gender Dysphoria, I am one of many such people who attempted suicide Pre Transition and am much happier now than I was then.

It’s often “trolls” “TERFS” “anti-Trans people” who believe Post Trans people are more suicidal. Which is a lie and made up narrative to bully or scare others.

I have never heard the term “synthetic” Trans before. As far as I’m concerned... I am a Woman. I’m treated like one everywhere I go. My doctors treat me like one. Friends. Family. Workers. Groups I speak with.
No one knows I’m Trans unless I point it out.

My physical body definitely feels like I’m a woman. Cis men and Cis women have also affirmed this to me and told me personally.. An anti-Trans person often has little to no experience with the Trans experience and projects their own insecurities onto Trans people. I see and hear it all the time. We even read these insecurities here on a forum from a few who would rather spend their time “trolling” or “gatekeeping”. I’ve seen this mindset of anti-Trans sentiment shrinking with each year.

I’m lucky to be in a position where I get to speak to thousands and thousands of people around the world every year. Speaking the truth about Trans People as an actual Trans Woman. I have and will continue to be a positive voice spreading “the truth”. And I can tell it’s working. So many more Cis and Trans people reach out to me weekly letting me know how much I’ve helped them understand and not be afraid. Especially parents of kids who are struggling with their gender identity.

In fact... I’ll be speaking with a large group next week. I get asked all the time. And I’ll be happy to keep spreading the word that being Trans is awesome for those of us who were born with Gender Dysphoria and found a way to stop struggling with it forever 😊🏳️‍⚧️💕

From: cj , 39 months, post #5

In a simple answer to this thread's topical question... Yes.

I hated (and still, to this day, often hate) much of my life.

Why I've not committed to ending things... There are enough people IN my life, and a few things ABOUT my life that I love more.

From: guest (hateallofyou) , 39 months, post #6

I'm a dick and hate alot of the bs politics on here, the spineless censoring and sjw rhetoric

however I truly feel bad hearing so many of you suffer like this

I don't like you CJ but I wish you and others the best in finding happiness

From: cj , 39 months, post #7

Thanks @hateallofyou. For the well-wishes (and the honesty).

From: guest (hateallofyou) , 39 months, post #8

I'm gonna try to be better @CJ

discussiion is important, it enlightens people

From: cj , 39 months, post #9

You are correct @hateallofyou. I wish you well on your journey to betterment.

From: Ijustcheckthisthread , 39 months, post #10

Yes have. Although my rl is typically just a normal straight dudes existence.

I think transitioning should be the last resort. Suicide rates are high pre transition or post transition, which leads me to believe some cases are feeling as if that transitioning will fix everything, when in reality it may relieve some stress in some cases, but have the affect of "this didn't fix my problems," in others.

Ensure someone is/knows that transitioning isn't a magic wand to fix all problems, and make sure that whatever this person is going through absolutely can be relieved by such a medical procedure, otherwise the person in question has the same host of problems with all the others and can't really undo what is done after transitioning.

From: MissMako , 39 months, post #11

"however I truly feel bad hearing so many of you suffer like this" - hateallofyou

It has been my own personal experience that kindness - compassion - an attempt to understand and support often heal wounds and people suffer much less. The opposite happens when hate - loathing - misinformation - and rejection happens to people who suffer. They tend to suffer way more. So much that it can lead to hurting themselves.

If we want people to suffer less - than I believe support is the key. For me - the support I received helped me overcome a lot of challenges on my own Trans journey. And helped give me the strength to do the really hard work it took in making my life so much better.

From: MissMako , 39 months, post #12

I agree with some of what you said Ijustcheckthisthread

Suicide rates for pre-transition people is high. Suicide rates for post-transition people are extremely lower. Considering I am Trans and am a part of the Trans Community - I am well aware of the facts here. Post Transition suicides often come in the form of rejection and bullying from Cis People in their lives. Not from suffering from Gender Dysphoria Post Transition or Post Traumatic Transition.

67% of pre-transition people have thought of suicide
3% of post-transition people have thought of suicide

Mental Health Commission On Transgender People & Suicide

SRS Mental Health Benefits

Transitioning is extremely serious. And I am glad there were so many checks and balances during my own journey to ensure what I was doing was going to help me in the end. (Checks and balances meaning: medical and government regulations and standards)

I do believe there are those people who think they are Trans but are not. And refuse to even entertain going through any checks and balances. I always tell a person who thinks they might have Gender Dysphoria to seek out professional help first. Never do it on your own. I tell parents this with their children. Overtime - it becomes clear if someone is just experimenting with gender roles or if they truly are suffering from Gender Dysphoria.

In my life - I have only met one Trans Woman personally who regretted transitioning. She was a beautiful girl in her 20's. She was so angry at the world and at everyone. She lashed out during our group meetings at the LGBTQ Center here in L.A. I sat her down for a coffee and talked to her about it. She cried and told me she made a massive mistake. She was a troubled teen and thought transitioning was her answer. She bypassed the medical community here in the U.S. and went across to Asia to transition. She regrets doing it.

This is one Trans person amongst hundreds I've run into personally (not talking online - which I know way more) I mean face to face. Making an extreme mistake can happen. But more often than not - it doesn't. For those being properly diagnosed - transitioning is often what cures the depression and pain of living with Gender Dysphoria. And just because an extremely small percentage regrets transitioning - doesn't mean the majority should stop or suffer from not being able to live in happiness.

From: cj , 39 months, post #13

"... a person who thinks they might have Gender Dysphoria to seek out professional help first."

I'll concur with this advice.

My TG ideations were prevalent since before I was a teen. It wasn't until I was older (post 30's probably), and had been through nearly a decade of therapy (not fully focused on the gender stuff) that I was certain that my feelings about it were more clinical / curiosity and less gender-based dysphoria. Sure I was dysphoric about my life, but the gender part of that dysphoria was more a symptom than a cause.

I think / feel that I'm better off not having gone through a gender transition, than I would have been, had I actually done so. But that's just my personal journey... everyone is in a unique situation.

Still... I still do wonder (often) what it would be like to be a girl and a woman... and just as often find myself thinking that I'm glad that I'm not. I may be one of those individuals who would be the same (equally happy and unhappy) whether male or female.

From: guest (Professional Standard) , 39 months, post #14

You can go pro-TG act all you want... just please Confess that your a TG or was a man before starting a relationship.

You guys made this a really panicking issue, at least a government person made money at the cost of his/her peacefulness. (Productive!)

From: MissMako , 39 months, post #15

(Professional Standard)

That's personal between me and whom ever decides to have a relationship with me (which have been many over the years). It is actually "none of your business" to ask or tell me what I can and can't do with my life.

If you are going to point fingers... be careful... cause you are making an extremely broad statement there about "panicking". Did YOU come across a TRANS person in your life who you feel wronged you?

Do you honestly believe ALL OF US TRANS people are exactly all the same? If you do - then you are stereotyping and demonizing an entire diverse group of people without knowing each and every one of us.

That would be like me claiming "All Men Are Pigs And Should Be Locked Up Cause They Are Dangerous To Women". But I don't do that - because not ALL MEN are like that.

From: guest (DAS1) , 39 months, post #16

I'm pretty sure OP is the troll that made all those anti-trans threads a couple of days ago. Sorry if it's not you... Maybe it's just the cynic in me talking. Anyway, these subjects such as discussing politics or social issues oftentimes always end up snowballing into some big crap and making anywhere a shithole, and it's always a big fight with everyone being a dick with everyone.

If it was up to me, we would try to keep this site focused on talking about TG fiction, just my opinion. Anyway, I always saw the body is a prison, like, you're not your body, you're your brain. And I like TG stories because they allow people to explore the idea of what would be like being another person, whether through magic or technology. Well, sadly, magic is not real. But technology might one day allow people to more easily explore what would be like to have other bodies without.... taking chances of regretting. That would be awesome, bodies would be like clothes, if you don't like you change it.

But, anyway, about the numbers, I don't know if they are true, I see people from the right, always from the right, throwing these numbers up, I don't know if they are true or not. Maybe, if is true, it is partially due to social prejudice? I don't know... I think people should live their lives as they want. Everything is a shitstorm nowadays.

Like, on one hand you have anti-trans folks (many of them, without a shadow of a doubt, probably facing doubts about their own gender and secretly wishing they were a girl), who are like "kill yourself, you freak", on the other, there are some trans activists who argue that if you don't feel attracted by trans people, you're literally the next Hitler, that your sexual preferences are transphobic and that you are fucking asshole (as if someone was entitled to your sexual attraction).

Like, keep it cool everyone.

From: MissMako , 39 months, post #17

DAS1

Even though I'm Trans - I'm not a big fan of any Trans Activist telling people they are Transphobic for not dating Trans People. I think "some" Trans Activists use this narrative way too loosely at times. Sure there might be the occasional Transphobic person but more often than not - people don't find other people attractive for one reason or another. You can't force that on someone IMO.

Everyone should have the right to date or be attracted to whom ever they choose .

Men and women are not attracted to one another ALL the time. Some men like men. Some women like women. Some people aren't attracted to anyone at all. My motto has always been this 'If I am asking for someone to respect me and who I am and what I want - then I have to do the same for them".

Every person I've ever dated has always been respectful of me and I am of them. When either one of us would end seeing one another - it was never ended with anyone saying "I don't date Trans people". Nor was it ended from being saying "You are transphobic for not wanting to date me"

As for politics or social issues - a Trans person doesn't see their existence as a political or social issue. We see it as "It is our very lives here." But a person who doesn't have to worry about being Trans can often see it as a political or social because quite frankly - they have a privilege that Trans people do not. This is all more evident in that most Trans Women will tell you "I was privileged and at the top of the food chain before I transitioned." I had men I know ask me "Why would I lower myself to being a woman?" And most Trans Men will tell you "I am privileged much more now than I was a Woman"

Unfortunately - the subtext of when I hear people saying "Stop bringing up social or political issues' when a Trans topic comes up - is often "I don't want to hear about Trans stuff cause it doesn't effect me and/or makes me feel uncomfortable". Same could be said of gender or race or LGB issues.

There's already inherent sexism between some Cis Men against Cis Women that exists. Add being Trans onto that and even a Lesbian and all of a sudden people start yelling that you are an SJW and shouldn't bring Politics or Social Issues into the conversation. When you actually never really do. You just bring yourself as a human being and people project and turn it into that kind of a conversation because "they" believe my existence is a political/social one.

I agree this site should be mostly dedicated to "transformations". And it actually is. I am a TF TG artist myself. Spent decades drawing and creating works. But I also "transformed" myself in reality. Even the word "Trans" comes from this theme itself. So I personally feel it's on point with being into "Transformations".

From: Moose , 39 months, post #18

MissMako i definitely agree that its not transphobic to not wishing to date someone whos trans. Personally at the end of the day a relationship is about what your comfortable with, and if something makes you uncomfortable, then thats you, its your life and your free to choose who you want and live with who you want

From: guest (Passing Through) , 39 months, post #19

First off-- Miss Mako, you are a rockstar for all your work helping others in the trans/queer community. People like you are chipping away at the wall of prejudice that hurts so many people.

I wish I were so brave. I'm not even "out". Some of the responses here-- on a message board about tf/tg stuff, even-- remind me why long ago I chose to remain closeted. The hate is just overwhelming. However much I wish I had been born genetically female, I knew that for many if not most I would just be a freak, not a woman.

Did I ever think about killing myself when I was in my teens and dealing with being gender dysphoric? Oh, you bet. Glad I didn't, though I made some reckless decisions I'd rather not talk about, even anonymously. Parents took me to a psychologist for a while. I was close mouthed with him, but I think he saw through me. My parents abruptly stopped the sessions-- my father told me that they were upset because the shrink said I could "go either way" to use my father's words.

But I survived those early years. I actually have a pretty good life, for all that I wish I could be more of my true self. I'm glad I made it through. I mourn those for whom it was just too much, and feel angry at the world that judges and torments them for no real reason.

From: MissMako , 39 months, post #20

Thanks "Passing Through" - wish I had a bigger pick to keep chipping away :)

I've been in the TF TG Community since the mid 1990's. The trolling and hate was even stronger back then than it is now - so I understand your apprehension. I kinda got used to it and became numb. Developed an understanding that bigotry is often rooted in projection of insecurities and low self esteem in the abuser. Like yourself - I always said "I wish I had been born genetically female" all the time.

Transitioning is hard work. I'm not gonna sugar coat the journey I took. Harder than being a Cis Man or Cis Woman. You have the physical challenges. The social changes. The emotional changes. And the occasional trolls and discrimination to deal with. But I still wouldn't change a thing. My life overall is radically better than it was before cause I now "feel euphoric and really like who I am and how I feel"

I honestly had to come to terms that it was more important for me to find "happiness" in myself first and to filter out all the "white noise" of bigotry and rejection as much as I could - so it wouldn't drown me in the process.

I had to really focus on "ME" and not do what I normally did - and that was "focus on everyone else" first cause it was easier to do that than fix my own issues (which I actually think most people do regardless if you are Trans or not). It's why I believe bullies and trolls lash out - but internally have issues they need to fix - and don't want to cause it's easier to avoid and blame others for how they feel. I believe most Transphobic people are like this.

Hugs. I'm happy you survived. I too survived suicide as a teen. My life outside of myself was pretty dang good leading up to transitioning. I couldn't complain. But having a great career - great friends and family - even a popular TF TG presence - was still just a crutch for the Gender Dysphoria I was avoiding to fix.

Cheers :)

- Miss Mako -

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