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From: guest (whiterose)
, 40 months, post #1 |
So, I always thought about how real-life changes, whether they be
technological or cultural, affect fiction and the stories we tell
and yadda yadda. To give you guys an example of what I mean: when
phones became mainstream writers start having to write in some
element preventing the characters from simply calling the police
when there's a cannibal serial killer on the loose surrounding
their isolated cabin: "Oh, I forgot to charge the phone", and the
battery dies off precisely at the moment the character was about to
call the cops, something among this lines.
With that said, at least for me one of the biggest fascinations
about this fetish was the idea that it was something PERMANENT and
that there was no way one could revert that, you were trapped
forever without any possibility of going back to your old body, or
old gender or old body AND gender: you were FORCED to be another
person.
And I was wondering about how this kind of futuristic technology –
which I think it's definitively something possible (if you're
interested I would advise you to go read the work of Sergio
Canavero and Robert J. White), but it's a pretty futuristic thing
that will most likely not happen in our lifetime.
Anyhow, I was wondering how the eventual technology of "full-body
transplant" would play out with this fetish or with even the way
you see and interpret it, much like as the stories we create. What
happens when body swap stops being just a work of fiction, and it
becomes a medical technology as possible as a lung transplant?
The second part, about social changes in the real world affecting
the stories we create, especially in stories of one changing bodies
with a person of the opposite gender, this sort of already happens.
Nowadays in some places, society is more open towards people
changing genders, in the sense that a story taking place nowadays
about a girl switching bodies with a boy, she could somewhat
transition back to her old gender, essentially becoming trans,
without sorta becoming an outcast among society. So in a way, the
element of them being trapped in a strange gender isn't that strong
anymore, as would have been in a story taking place 40 years ago or
so.
Anyway, what is your take on all that?
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From: Monsta
, 40 months, post #2 |
Many people would be surprised by some of the medical technologies
already being developed, so stuff like full on body transplants are
probably closer than we realize. The only HARD roadblock is
connecting up all the nerve endings. A huge obstacle, sure, but we
thought a lot of now possible things were impossible 20 years ago.
At first only extreme conditions will allow this new procedure to
happen of course.
The rich will manage to do it for sure. Expect to see a headline
like "Ailing Bill Gates, Age 87, Undergoes Emergency Body
Transplant. The Donor Body, From An Unnamed 22 Year Old Japanese
Woman, Has Given Mr. Gates A New Lease On Life." And once it
happens a few times it will be as common as a celebrity coming out
as trans is now, and I expect the reactions will likely be similar.
Lots of people will talk about it, a few a--holes will condemn it,
but most people will accept it.
Viable donor bodies (where the body is ok but the brain is not)
will be very limited at first, meaning you will likely NOT have a
choice on things like gender and race of the body you are going
into. Imagine a 34 year old wife and mother of 3 getting into an
accident and needing an emergency transplant into a 25 year old
guy. Would the family try to carry on as usual, or would the
wife/mom's new body force her to start out again on her own and
form a new life more in line with her new body?
Eventually, voluntary swaps will happen. And by voluntary I mean
some 20 year old will be paid 1 Billion dollars to swap with a 55
year old. Some very rich man will make an offer to a young person
they can't refuse. And that's when I think society will have to
start reacting to this. What happens when the rich will essentially
be immortal demigods? What's the morality of a young single mother
trading her body away to give her children a bright future?
Questions we can't answer now, for sure.
As for the question of what happens to the body swap fetish, well,
it won't be fiction anymore. So, the depth of the river will
deepen, but it will narrow. There will be real answers to all the
"what if" questions, making things much more focused, but with less
variety. Very specific things will be fetishized and replicated
endlessly, but the rate of new things will slow. So great news if
you are into Bill Gates as a hot Asian woman, bad news if you are
more interested in exploring the possibilities of the human
experience.
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From: DB Cooper
, 40 months, post #3 |
I think one of the main social changes is that transgenderism is
not the huge scandal it once was. I dreamed of finding a
transgender girlfriend when I was a young man, but almost all of
there were in hiding before the turn of the century. I think it
would be a lot easier today.
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From: guest
, 38 months, post #4 |
For anyone interested on this topic, I would deeply recommend the
episode "Striking Vipers" from Black Mirror, it's not exactly about
full body transplant, but rather about full immersive VR, which
pretty much address some of the possibilities that playing out when
you can have any body you want. How this affects sex, gender,
kinks, you name it.
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From: cj
, 38 months, post #5 |
I think that the effect such advancements would have on our fiction
would really depend on the speed at which those advancements are
realized.
The sooner it happens, the more difficult it will be for these
types of transformations to be seen as other than taboo - so the
smaller the change will be in our fetishes and fiction.
The longer it takes, the more normal it will seem... and with hope,
the more accepted it will be that a person's mind and body can
oppose each other. In that time, such things might be seen to be as
common as other procedures that repair congenital conditions to
alleviate the person's suffering. In that case, I'd infer that such
advancements would then shift our fiction to deal with our current
(or past) viewpoints on such things.
As for fetishes in this scenario... that depends a bit on how easy
and/or painful the process(es) is(are) -- If such things are
difficult, painful, and time-consuming, I'd fathom that stories
would focus on such things and the "stuck" aspect of being trapped
in this new form might still have some relevance. Perhaps with the
protagonist having to weigh their angst with their tolerance for
going through the procedure again. If such a procedure is simple,
easy, and painless... well... I'm assuming this would be as common
as trying to write about a new haircut. It would be written about,
but rarely, and usually as a simple part of the character's daily
life, not as the (or one of the) main drivers of the story.
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From: guest (xas)
, 38 months, post #6 |
It doesn't have much to do with this theme, but the whole premise
of the OP (of how technology affects society) reminded me of this
book about the story of fiction involving time travelling, like the
first books about such topic. The concept of time travelling,
especially time travelling to the future, was pretty much only born
after the industrial revolution, when people started to see an
ever-increasing technological change still in their lifetimes,
which end up giving rise to such questions like "oh what the
humanity will be like 100 years from now?"
Because, keep it in mind that this wouldn't have made any sense in,
let's say, the year 1500, cause simply the difference in the
humanity between the year 1500 and 1600, isn't that much big
compared to, let's say, 1900 and 2000). There's a feedback loop
between the technology that we created in the real world and the
stories we write about such technology or about what that
technology could (one day) develop into.
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