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Why does the TG community seem to have a problem with conservative leaning artis
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From: guest (penguinattack) , 3 months, post #1
I’m just curious because I find it odd for a group of people who claim to be open. I’ve shared conservative views before and I consider myself fairly in the center of political beliefs. I share some liberal and conservative views. I don’t think I’m really hateful, but have gotten hate in the past for sharing conservative views.

Does anyone else here have conservative views? Or is it just me?

From: guest (penguinattacks) , 3 months, post #2
The rest of the title of my question didn’t appear either. I apologize for that.

From: guest , 3 months, post #3
It’s because the values of which liberals and conservatives differ is measured differently amongst them. A conservative may not agree with gay marriage and may choose not to associate with that community. but to a liberal, opposing it is an affront to a persons identity and associating with such a person could mean they are tolerant of their ideology which could explain why you find them less accepting. TG community would definitely be more left leaning simply because being TG is fundamentally unconservative. Imagine telling a conservative parent or friend about this website and what their reaction would be. Some would not care for it but most would definitely think there is something wrong with you or you have a mental disability similar to a transgendered person

From: guest , 3 months, post #4
Easy, just look at the definition (non political) of both words and you will see why.

Conservative noun:
1. a person who is averse to change and holds traditional values.

Liberal adjective
1. willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

Lastly claiming to be open does not mean every opinion deserves the same respect. Someone saying a gay person is mentally ill or that interracial marriage is wrong (believed to be true not that long ago) does not deserve my respect or time,.

Bringing politics into it, read the Republican party plank, it is frightening in it's reactionary viewpoint.'Traditional family values' my ass.

From: guest (Guest) , 3 months, post #5
If you're talking fiscal policies, means of healthcare, and religious beliefs, we can agree to disagree and have a discussion.

If you're embracing racism, violence, gaslighting, and authoritarianism as a means to those ends, then there's no point in having that discussion.

From: guest (Guest) , 3 months, post #6
How many friends to you have of the opposite political belief? If your answer is none, perhaps they're not the ones who lack tolerance. It's easy to put down the other side for what YOU think they believe. Try learning what they actually believe. Yes, there are nutcases on both sides, but those aren't the majority on either side.

May I suggest the "https://www.realclearpolitics.com" website? Half the articles are written by Conservatives and half by Liberals. You don't have to agree with any, but its important to know what they think.

Check out CATO & Reason's website as well. You might find you're more comfortable as a Libertarian. They really don't care how you live your life as long as you don't try to force it on them or ask them to pay for it.

From: guest , 3 months, post #7
Not a fan of conservative ideology because I'm queer, and not a fan of conservative voices in a subgenre that happens to have a lot of other queer people.

I'm open to a lot, not open to bigotry, and if there's one thing I've learned growing up is that bigots hide mostly in conservative spheres.

Not to say that there arent bigots in liberal and leftist spheres, because they exist and they're problematic

But conservatives are always first in line to restrict queer rights

and that aint something I'm tolerant of

From: ColoradoDog , 3 months, post #8
Because they’re against pervs like us.

From: guest , 3 months, post #9
I tried to have friends with opposing political beliefs, but then they turned out to hate queer people and foreigners so I dumped their ass.

Maybe if conservative beliefs weren't so focused on restricting rights and shitting on queer people I'd try to have more conservative friends



From: guest , 3 months, post #10
Stupid question with obvious answer.

From: guest , 3 months, post #11
Nuanced views on anything political are no longer encouraged on either side of the spectrum.

From: guest (eh) , 3 months, post #12
Classic paradox of tolerance scenario. Conservatives bring this up to make the argument, “If you are so accepting, then why don’t you accept my beliefs that dehumanize, restrict, or oppress others?”

The answer in short, "In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance."


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

From: greendoubleaught , 3 months, post #13
There is fiscal conservativism, and then there is social conservativism. Not all conservatives embrace both, but many do, and it's important to define what you mean.

From: guest (Tights) , 3 months, post #14
"And the best at murder are those who preach against it, and the best at hate are those who preach love" – Charles Bukowski, The Genius Of The Crowd

In the last years I grew very cynical of people who claim all the time about how much they are "open-minded", "in favor of diversity" and "against hate" – it's not as if I don't believe that there are people that sincerely are like this – but when a person seems to ramble about "how much they are full of tolerance in their hearts" all the time, it sounds fake and disingenuous and it sounds that that person is doing that just to virtue-signal to their friends and to be admired as an "open-minded thinker", to ultimately satisfy their own ego. Being "open-minded and accept diversity" for them is to accept people who already agree with 90% of the things they say.

Anyway, the way I see good art is good art, and bad art is bad art. I may disagree with the song "Imagine" from John Lennon, but it would be a blatant lie of me saying that the song is bad, it's not. It's one of the most beautiful songs ever made, with a message that I personally disagree. And it's okay to disagree with the artist, what's not ok, I believe, is to say an artist's art is bad because you don't agree with their political view.

From: guest (Tights) , 3 months, post #15
>seems to rant about
Fixed.

From: guest , 3 months, post #16
It is ok actually to say someone is bad for their political views hope that clears things up

From: guest (guest) , 3 months, post #17
smart teefers know ACAB baby and that's all there is to it

From: guest (PAXAMERICANA) , 3 months, post #18
Bunch of lefties
Worse than rome

From: guest (kiyohime) , 3 months, post #19
I don't think the problem on this site isn't politics. the problem is people being anonymous and security. If we were to have a better moderation system and more accountability this would work better. I suggest a username and password being mandatory. that way it would be harder for these political posts to get through. I've seen many users stress this, we need better security for this site. It wouldn't be perfect but it would be a start.

From: Moose , 3 months, post #20
The thing was, when i first started coming here the sote had really great moderation, CJ was almost here everyday watching every single post and there were like 6 more people helping him. But as the years went, the less we saw of him, and right now the only active mod thats a regular is hskmn

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