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From: guest (KJ)
, 59 months, post #41 |
It fits in with the earlier rant
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From: guest (SquidSquib)
, 59 months, post #42 |
Wow, I think of all the TF sites I have ever visited, this one is
the cruelest among its commentators. Some of the things you guys
say to each other I find just astounding. You could find nicer
people in an anger management group after they've all had a few.
This is just absurd how rude and demeaning and condescending
everyone is to each other. That and the level of generalizations is
ridiculous.
I don't know if its the level of anonymity this site offers that
attracts such vicious characters or if this site just inherently
attracts the underbelly of the TF community. Get a grip guys and
gals and realize not everyone shares your tastes. Jesus, I think
I'd rather 5 minutes in a tank filled with piranhas that spend a
day with any of you. This place is depressing as far as my outlook
on humanity goes. You all ought to be ashamed of yourself for
treating your fellow man and woman gay or straight or whatever the
way that you're doing here.
I encourage everyone in this thread to take a good hard look in the
mirror and ask themselves if this is who you really are and if
you're proud of the comments you made here. Despicable.
I can honestly say I think I'm going to stray away from this site
from now on, it's way too judgmental and just plain vicious. All of
you need to take a step back, take a deep breath, and learn some
empathy for your fellow man/ woman, regardless of who they are or
what interests them. This entire thread is a silly vicious mess.
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From: guest
, 59 months, post #43 |
Squid,
Just go away already.. Nothing of value is lost. You will not be
missed.
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From: guest (titomrtito)
, 59 months, post #44 |
I would think the problem is readers thinking their opinion
matters, it is the authors story or vision...just because you don't
like it doesn't mean it is a problem at all...in fact it might be a
strength to many who completely disagree with your views
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From: guest (titomrtito)
, 59 months, post #45 |
as a reply to squid, part of the problem is mods went crazy trying
to ban anyone that said "anything offensive" for a while and people
became very thin skinned and lash out in anger any time their view
is questioned
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From: guest (Nathan)
, 58 months, post #46 |
I don't visit this place anymore, mainly because when I do it's
usually just because I post a new entry and that's it. I
practically gave up on trying to rejoin this particular forum after
I lost my account details and given how ridiculous the attempts at
RPing with me got on here, well...I just couldn't do it. I'm fine
with people having different opinions than mine, and i'm fine with
RPing but i'd prefer to do it on Deviantart or on Discord.
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From: guest (RanmaWasHere)
, 58 months, post #47 |
I rarely come here anymore after being both a TF content creator &
mod years ago. So many of the comments smell of "whiny entitlement
b.s." that often stem from TOXIC peeps whom have made it a personal
habit to bash and complain rather than appreciate and respect the
community of artists/authors who give.
Negative Projection at TF content providers because of your own
internal demons is cowardly & non-productive. Therapy would be
better at solving personal issues than lashing out at human beings
you don't even know and have feelings of their own. And yes... in
the past... the thread probably would have been locked.
And yes Squid... my personal opinion is "anonymity" is a TROLL
breeding ground for a place like this.
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From: guest (Captain Pickle)
, 58 months, post #48 |
Outside of TF fiction there is another rather disgustingly popular
medium where dangerous, criminal and outright offensive acts and
thoughts are the norm: Video games.
I've killed SO MANY people in video games. I don't even give it a
second thought. I've murdered, eviscerated, decapitated, mutilated
and done unspeakable horrors through the digital medium of video
games. I've never considered who and what i was a killing as a
person, with families, hopes, dreams, thoughts or anything else
other than my opponent. And you know what? I LOVE IT.
Do i want to kill people in real life?...
No.
Video games, like stories, TF fiction or other creative works are
simply means to explore alternate scenarios and ideas. They speak
to our intellectual needs for comedy, violence, sex, curiosity,
horror, wonder or excitement. I have friends who love watching
slasher flicks, do they wish to grab an axe and start a rampage?
No, they would be the first people to stop you if you should try.
Are video games brutally violent? Hell yes.
Does TF fiction present rather misogynist, demeaning and degrading
scenarios? I've seen a rather large number do so.
But the crucial point about all these creative works is that
extremely few of them *promote* such scenarios as desirable in real
life. When i kill ten thousand soldiers in a world war 2 game at no
point does the game present world war 2 as something that should be
actually repeated. It's entertainment, nothing more.
This is not to say there is no offensive literature out there. Just
go to amazon books and you'll find tons of political or hateful
literature that actively *promote* bad things to happen to certain
people. If you want to complain about the erosion of civil and
human rights in literature, start there.
But TF fiction as a whole is nothing like that. I've read a lot and
practically all of them are purely written to entertain an idea,
not promote it for real life. They are constructed in idealized
worlds where real practical issues aren't a problem. For one, do
you know how fast STDs would kill a society that was based on any
of these works? No one bothers considering STDs simply because the
stories are not supposed to be a blueprint for real life, they are
blueprints for fantasies.
Just as video games are.
If you really want to throw shade at TF Fiction for being against
real life standards of equality, civil and humans rights then
fuck.... the video game industry should be shut down for
fantasizing about genocide on a galactic scale.
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From: guest
, 56 months, post #49 |
Calm down everyone. Why can't we love each other.
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From: cj
, 56 months, post #50 |
"Why is it that the TF community, as outcasts, seem to beso
mysoginistic and homophobic. Manye stories reduce women to painting
nails, playing with dolls, and having babies."
They are the author's fantasies... or at least stories of someone
else's fantasies.
"They also seem to fantasize about lesbian relationships, while
dismissing gay male relationships. It just seems so hypocritical
and ironic to me."
Lesbian relationships? We must not be reading the same stories.
That would seem to indicate that we have each read ONLY A PART of
the many works in the TF / TG universe.
While I have no interest in any male-to-male romantic
relationships, should I suddenly find myself in a female body, I
could only GUESS that I'd remain attracted to women... though maybe
I'd instead be attracted to men. Hence any story that I'd write
would probably not include the male-on-male stuff, as it's not
something that interests me. Not because I hate it or disapprove, I
just don't understand nor have I imagined myself in such a
relationship.
"It's not only that, it's also that many stories present false
facts about the differences between women and men. One story claims
that women live longer than men, that's actually false. The average
is skewed by lowe class men that take more risky behaviors such as
drinking and driving. Ther is no biological dictate that has women
living longer than men."
Women don't live longer than men? Well that is news to me. All the
studies I'd ever read (I'm old, so that's quite a few) stated that
occupation and stress, etc. led to women living on average 3-7
years longer than men (actual years depended on what year and which
study). But I can certainly seeing this change with time, as well
as being related to where in the world we are talking about.
I think a foundation for wanting to TG oneself is that lack of
knowledge and experience. So we do the best we can in trying to
write about that which we don't know - often for the facilitation
of some FANTASY. Remember that these are just stories, not clinical
documentaries.
"My main frustration is that so many stories reek of sexism,
ignorance concerning biology (especially when it comes to having a
period or giving birth), and one sided homophobia. I wish many
writers would read more and listen more before
writing stories that while are fiction, present made-up common
place misunderstandings as if they were true."
Perhaps the author DOES understand the misogyny and sexism in their
story. Perhaps they want to draw attention to it... perhaps they
want to experience it themself... perhaps they want their character
to rise up through it (from being a misogynist, to becoming a
victim of it, to helping defeat it). I can't speak for others'
intent.
I'd like to be a heroine in that type of thing. There are things
I've done and said that were clearly wrong over the years. I'm
trying to combat them now when I see/hear them, because they aren't
right. Yet I still find myself tripping up (be it evolutionary
biology or ingrained lessons). Perhaps, to experience being on the
receiving end of such a thing for a while might be a lesson that
helps. Anyhow... experiencing periods (yes plural, because you
don't know how to live with/around them, unless you have to live
with and around them), and childbirth are like dreams to some of us
who can never realize such things - they are that unreachable
fruit. Sure they're not pleasant, or mostly-not pleasant - and some
of us are missing much knowledge of the realities of those things -
but remember these are mainly FANTASIES.
"Doesn't this bother any of you?"
No more so than any of the fantasies where everyone lives "happily
ever after", such as a princess in a castle during medieval times.
Where it is uncomfortable, dangerous, stinky, messy, and most
things are likely to kill you.
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From: guest (tapir)
, 44 months, post #51 |
Well said CJ.
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From: guest (Befeebe)
, 44 months, post #52 |
It's fetish content. Why the fuck should it reflect reality/ cater
to modern beliefs? You do realise that hardly any porn/erotica is
realistic, right? That's not his real Stepmom, he's not really in a
full-body cast. The content that you have a problem with isn't
meant to accurately reflect the struggles/experiences of TG people,
it's meant to entertain people.
If you don't like it, fine. If you think it creates
damaging/unhealthy mindsets, there's some merit to that, but that's
a different conversation.
Nobody is really being harmed in the creation of fetish TG fiction,
arguably less so than regular porn. The content creators don't have
a duty to satisfy every potential reader's sensibilities, and we as
consumers don't have a duty to consume any content we don't want
to. It's a good system, let's keep it that way.
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From: guest (pory)
, 21 months, post #53 |
Author should be allowed to write what they want.
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