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From: guest
, 78 months, post #141 |
Fed Up, are you also bothered by the use of the term
heterosexual/straight?
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From: guest (Fed Up)
, 77 months, post #142 |
"It's not about making yourself feel better, but having a
convenient way to express yourself. I don't think anyone here,
including yourself, would want to have to say "someone born with
the genitals that align with their gender""
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Those would be women and men, that is how it is expressed
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From: guest (Fed Up)
, 77 months, post #143 |
Fed Up, are you also bothered by the use of the term
heterosexual/straight?
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You tell me why the term heterosexual or straight in needed. I use
neither one to describe a person. But then I do not buy into SJW
shit.
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From: guest (Fed Up)
, 77 months, post #144 |
Cis, heterosexual, etc. serves one purpose, an attempt to normalize
the abnormal.
If you are trans, you are out of the normal. Does not mean you are
bad, is just the way it is.
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From: guest (Also Interested)
, 77 months, post #145 |
lol so straight is SJW? and yet here you are the white knight of
straight cismalehood. and yet youve literally started a thread to
fight for your cause. what a SJW you are.
And you just said it, does not mean you are bad, so its about using
language to not imply its bad or less than. But you dont actually
care. stop pretending you do. you just came here to tell other ppl
what they can and cant say. end of story.
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From: Mr. Ram
, 77 months, post #146 |
What does SJW mean?
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From: guest
, 77 months, post #147 |
Fed Up, are you also bothered by the term "room temperature"
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From: guest (Fed Up)
, 77 months, post #148 |
To Also Interested,
SJW's did not start last year....Straight was started as slang by
homosexuals in the 60's to describe one not of their tribe.
Heterosexual too gained use during that time period.
Yes being transgendered does not make you a bad person, but it does
put you outside the norm.
...........
SJW - Social Justice Warrior
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From: guest (Fed Up)
, 77 months, post #149 |
guest, Are you familiar with the term obtuse
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From: guest
, 77 months, post #150 |
I think you are epitomising that term... thanks for the example.
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From: guest (guessed)
, 77 months, post #151 |
@ guest (fed up) #148 SJW's did not start last year....Straight was started as slang by
homosexuals in the 60's to describe one not of their tribe.
Heterosexual too gained use during that time period.
Well, that's just wrong. "Straight"
meaning "not homosexual" goes back to the 40s or earlier. It had
the general meaning of not deviant (whatever the deviation from the
norm), not intoxicated (habitually or otherwise), not a criminal,
etc.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-etymology-of-the-term-straight-to-refer-to-heterosexual-people-Is-the-term-homophobic
"Going/getting straight" existed an idiom long before the Stonewall
and Compton Cafeteria riots.
Meanwhile, the term "SJW" as a pejorative for people who argued --
badly, insincerely, or with inappropriate/unhelpful shrillness --
against social injustice, exclusion, or oppressive politics seems
to date to 2009
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/social-justice-warrior
FWIW "outside the norm" is a pretty interesting phrase. A social
norm is an informal proscriptive. It is not a law or a religious
taboo. It describes a behavior or attitude that will not
draw negative comment, ostracism, or other social sanctions within
a given community. Being trans is certainly out of the norm in many
communities, but those communities appear to be shrinking in number
and in overall membership lately.
That's not to say that trans people don't still routinely get
murdered for being trans -- pretty much everywhere. Its just that
now that there are some well-off and semi-famous trans people in
front of American media consumers, so it is getting harder for
cisfolk to other all
trans people.
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From: JosieChung
, 77 months, post #152 |
For anyone interested in the science of sex, this is a pretty good
read:
New Statesman: "Sex isn’t chromosomes: the story of a century of
misconceptions about X & Y"
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From: guest (BarackObrahma)
, 77 months, post #153 |
I think we should cultivate peace.
If some people doesn't wanna be called by some name, just don't
call them it. Try to use the name they want be called upon.
So, from now on, I hope you all call me BATMAN, THE FUCKING LORD OF THE NIGHTS
.
Ok? Got it?
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From: guest
, 77 months, post #154 |
Um... no. Not if what people who are satisfied with their birth
genitals want to be called is "women" or "men" and they say that
that excludes people who were not. Again, that is inherently
exclusionary and "transphobic"
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From: guest (KJ)
, 77 months, post #155 |
If you lived 50 years as a white male, but that you always felt you
were black, could you darken your skin, and demand to be considered
an equal member of that race?
Then get angry at those for not accepting you as a black, one who
is equal to a black man or woman since birth?
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From: guest (BarackObrahma)
, 77 months, post #156 |
Michael Jackson did something along this line, KJ
LOL
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From: Mr. Ram
, 77 months, post #157 |
So did Rachel Dolezal, A white woman who claimed to be black, she
was even president of the NAACP in Spokane Washington, until people
found out that she was really white.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal
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From: guest (guessed)
, 77 months, post #158 |
quote KY #155 If you lived 50 years as a white male, but that you always felt you
were black, could you darken your skin, and demand to be considered
an equal member of that race?
Pretty far afield now, I think.
The OP objected to the use of "cisman" and "ciswoman" as
identifiers for persons who identify with the gender assigned at
birth.
An apt comparison here would be the way that black is appended to
the title of persons of color.
It happens less often now, and it usually means something different
than it did, but there was a time that calling someone a "back
doctor" or "black lawyer" or "black tennis player" went without
comment because "doctor" and "lawyer" mapped to "white" -- so
saying "white lawyer" seemed redundant.
likewise "woman doctor" or (too often) "lady doctor".
If you are part of the privileged class being asked to identify as
cis, or identify as straight, or identify as white is annoying --
especially to those who feel that they have not benefited (enough)
from the privilege that comes with those categories.
We all have some resentment, we have all felt the sting of some
injustice. It is very hard put yourself in the place of the other,
to recognize that giving some share or dignity and respect to
someone not
like yourself does not diminish the stock of dignity available to
you.
It takes an deliberate act of will, and no little exercise of
imagination, to accept that you are not letting someone "jump the
line" or ceding "special rights" when you treat another human being
as a human being.
Some people simply cannot, or will not, do this. This kind of
bigotry is tolerable, until it is weaponized by those who would use
it to divide and disenfranchise -- which is to say, it is never
tolerable.
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From: guest
, 77 months, post #159 |
Excellent article, thanks, JosieChung.
I especially liked (in relation to this discussion) "Ah, but
there’s a weasel word there: 'normal'" :-D
As for the black/white comments above.... what is the legal
definition of "black". As far as I know it's ancestry. The legal
definition of "man" and "woman", in most states, includes
"transmen" and "transwomen." Apples and oranges, people... apples
and oranges.
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From: guest (BarackObrahma)
, 77 months, post #160 |
Shania Twain always said that... Man, I feel like a woman.
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