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From: guest (Fed Up)
, 78 months, post #101 |
The term nigger has been in longer than that, and used longer, ok
to use it?
You posted your political opinions, then said you did not want to
discuss politics. Kind of like how Al Bore runs around shouting
bullshit, then saying the debate is over.
SJW’s are opposite of what they say. Kind of like Antifa.
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From: guest (Valkan)
, 78 months, post #102 |
Cisgender is not defined as a pejorative in the dictionary though,
like the N-word, so it can be used.
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From: guest (Valkan)
, 78 months, post #103 |
Also in exciting news the latest South Park game is letting you
choose your character's gender identity. You can pick transgender,
cisgender, or non-conforming. A small victory for the trans
community in gaining more visibility and acceptance.
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From: guest
, 78 months, post #104 |
Agreed. I feel sorry for you, FedUp, that people have used it as a
pejorative term to you, but just because someone used it to you
once as a way to exclude you from a discussion does not make it
one.
As far as I know, once someone transitions sufficiently (which
maybe can vary from state to state, I don't know) they are legally
recognized as their chosen gender. So, by any meaningful definition
of the word "man" or "woman" they are included. Again, sorry that
you don't like that.
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From: guest (6drop)
, 78 months, post #105 |
Can an admin please ban fedup? Thanks.
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From: Air Gear
, 78 months, post #106 |
Look, if you've got a situation where you want to talk about
transgender actors and you want to discuss their also playing
characters who in their personal history haven't ever transitioned,
you could either phrase it like: "Transgender actor to play
character who in the history of the character never transitioned."
or "Transgender actor to play cisgender character."
See how much easier that is have one word to convey all of that?
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From: guest (Fed Up)
, 78 months, post #107 |
“Cisgender is not defined as a pejorative”
..............
But many see it as one.
Still waiting for a good explanation of how the term “woman” is not
good enough to describe what is being called a “cis-woman”.
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From: guest (Fed Up)
, 78 months, post #108 |
“You can pick transgender, cisgender, or non-conforming. A small
victory for the trans community in gaining more visibility and
acceptance.”
................
Labeling someone to make them sound less than what they are is
always a good way to gain that visibility and acceptance?
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From: guest (Fed Up)
, 78 months, post #109 |
“As far as I know, once someone transitions sufficiently (which
maybe can vary from state to state, I don't know) they are legally
recognized as their chosen gender. So, by any meaningful definition
of the word "man" or "woman" they are included. Again, sorry that
you don't like that.”
.................
So they are not proud to be trans? So they are now “man” or “woman”
but others are “cis”?
What is your point?
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From: guest (Fed Up)
, 78 months, post #110 |
“Can an admin please ban fedup? Thanks.”
...........................
On what grounds? Having a discussion you do not like?
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From: guest (Fed Up)
, 78 months, post #111 |
“What is perhaps most disturbing in being called “cisgendered,” is
that it imposes an identity on me. Doing so invalidates my
complicated experience of gender.”
Article with quote found here.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/j-nelson-aviance/i-am-not-cisgendered_b_5598113.html
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From: guest (Fed Up)
, 78 months, post #112 |
"For me, 'cis' reifies something that is mostly a fiction. It
creates — or re-creates — a gender binary, which is exactly what
many scholars and activists have been fighting against for
decades."
To me, 'cisgender' is a clunky, unhelpful, and maybe even
regressive term. It does not move the gender conversation forward
in a constructive way. Or in a productive way."
University of Southern California gender studies professor Chris
Freeman, Ph.D.
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From: guest (Also Interested)
, 78 months, post #113 |
I honestly can't believe this conversation is still going. I
haven't read all of these, but it's really quite simple. If someone
were to say "I like all fruits and apples" it would sound either
redundant or ignorant (not bigoted, just ignorant as in you don't
know apples are also fruits). It implies that apples are a separate
category than fruits. No one would question if you said "I like all
fruits and carrots" or "I like fruits and vegetables" because they
are different categories or discussing different groups.
Similarly, when you say "women and transwomen" whether you mean to
or not, it similarly implies that transwomen are not women, and so
it comes across as ignorant. What you either mean is "women" point
blank or to make a distinction like "ciswomen and transwomen." The
latter does not carry the implication from before. If you were
describing someone but mean to make a distinction between a woman
who was born a woman and did not transition, you can easily just
use the word ciswoman and people would understand. Or you can draw
out the distinction all you'd like. It's fine.
If you want to take personal offense at being called cisgender,
that's fine. If you want to try to police people from using the
word cisgender. That's fine. But let's stop the crap that it's a
TransMafia at work here and not anything different than what you
are doing/trying to do. You feel it's disrespectful, just like
others are saying that implying the opposite of transwomen is
women, or that transwomen are not women. It's like giving a
compliment to someone and making a distinction like "for a black
guy" or "even though you're femme." You may not even mean to be
disrespectful, but that distinction is so heavy for those that hear
it all the time. All people ask is that you don't make it out to be
"there's women, and then there's transwomen." That's it. If you
don't want to, that's within your right. Just as it's anyone else's
right to call you out on it, because that's how they feel. And
you've used this site as a platform to announce how you feel and
how dare someone tell you to use a word because you're some sort of
white cisknight. Have fun. You're literally complaining about
something while doing the same thing.
Can we please get back to the TG stuff?
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From: guest (Fed Up)
, 78 months, post #114 |
“You being a cis-woman”
“Please do not call me that”
“Well fuck you, it is in the dictionary, and that is the label you
will live with!”
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From: guest (Fed Up)
, 78 months, post #115 |
“Similarly, when you say "women and transwomen" whether you mean to
or not, it similarly implies that transwomen are not women”
...............
They are not women on the same level as a woman raised as a female,
with hormones, possibly with a natural female reproductive system,
who from day one was treated, lived, etc. as a woman.
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From: guest (Also Interested)
, 78 months, post #116 |
There are ciswomen who dont cant reproduce, struggle with
endometriosis, and who dont even have periods, who have amenorrhea,
who either produce too much testosterone or not enough estrogen.
Are they on a different level as other women? Are you the divine
decider of all things women? Why are there levels of women? Why
argue that you are not offensive when you literally just said they
are women as ciswomen?
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From: guest (Also Interested)
, 78 months, post #117 |
Is your argument literally that you don't want to be told to use
the word ciswomen, because that's offensive to ciswomen, and at the
same time, transwomen are not women and that they shouldn't be
offended by you claiming that?
Because why not call a spade a spade and just say that. But you
don't get to be offensive while at the same time claim to be
offended at ciswomen, and how dare the Transmafia and PC and
SJW....You don't get to be a keyboard warrior and complain about
keyboard warriors. You want to the right to be a prick without
being called a prick. You want your cake and to eat it too. Really,
how is the irony lost on you?
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From: guest
, 78 months, post #118 |
trans women are not women, trans men are not men....it is simple,
this 1 generation of freaks doesn't get to change everything
because they are the products shitty parenting ...you are either
born a man or a woman or have weird mental problems that confuse
you. No judgement on how you live your life but won't be bullied
into conforming to your mental illness.
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From: guest
, 78 months, post #119 |
not a debate, or an argument, just facts....take your silly emotion
and mental illness out of your response and it is clear there are
men and women who are clearly biologically different
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From: guest (Fed Up)
, 78 months, post #120 |
Call me whatever you desire.
Just explain to me how Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner gets to be a woman in
name, that is equal to say, Chris Everett?
Chris Everett is a woman, Jenner is a trans woman.
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