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From: DB Cooper
, 80 months, post #1 |
Every sitcom has at least one episode where one of the main
characters dresses in drag. But it's all over after one episode.
Which TV shows do you think dropped the ball when it came to
keeping one of the characters in dresses?
In BOY MEETS WORLD, Shawn goes undercover as a girl for a school
newspaper column. He takes over the part from Cody, after Shawn
seems to be better at female mannerisms. Cody admits he finds Shawn
attractive in drag. When someone suggests Shawn go by the name
Janet, he refuses, and suggests Veronica instead, implying that
he's thought about this. He goes on a date with a boy who proves to
be a cad and Shawn punches him.
So...what if the boy had been a genuinely nice guy? Or what if Cody
had acted on his attraction? Obviously, not sitcom appropriate at
the time, but what if?
So which shows do you think could have explored the TG angle a lot
deeper?
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From: guest (Metoo)
, 80 months, post #2 |
Woah talk about wishful thinking
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From: Monsta
, 80 months, post #3 |
I think "Fringe" was an obvious choice for some mainstream exposure
to TG/TF elements. Sure, they had a few people turn into monster
things, and there was that one rapid pregnancy, but overall it was
TF mild.
I imagined a script for an episode called "Now You Know How it
Feels". The episode opened with a right wing bigoted politician is
giving a speech that was anti-gay marriage. (It was not yet legal
US-Wide at the time of the show.)
At dinner after the speech he gets a fortune cookie that simply
says "Now you know how it feels". The next morning he awakens to
discover his wife has a penis.
Cut to credits.
Walter, Olivia and Peter show up to investigate and find it's
connected to Tech stolen from Massive Dynamic, but of course, they
have no knowledge of who took it or why. As the team closes in on
the suspects, Olivia corners one of them only to suddenly collapse
in pain, and the suspect gets away.
In the next scene Olivia awakens in Walter's lab and he is
obviously shaken up. She questions him repeatedly about what
happened, and he dodges for a bit only to finally hint that she
too, has fallen to the same fate as the politician's wife. She runs
to the bathroom, and a loud scream is heard.
Peter knows what's happened to Olivia, but Walter is not giving out
details beyond "substantial" male genitals. The team sets out to
capture the suspects and ultimately find a cure for Olivia.
The team does manage to capture one of the suspects, but he is
killed shortly after, erasing their best lead. The episode ends
with Walter admitting that Olivia would be stuck that way until he
can better understand William Bell's original notes on the Massive
Dynamic project, and even then there is a possibility she would
never be fully female again.
This would have set up some amazing character development in later
episodes. For example: Olivia getting frustrated during an
investigation and shouting at her boss Boyles that "She thought
that now that she had a penis she would get more respect around
here". It also would have greatly complicated Peter and Olivia's
relationship. There also could have been an arc of Olivia being
angry and aggressive as she grappled with coming to terms with her
mutated body.
Oh well.......
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From: Random
, 80 months, post #4 |
"Fantasy Island"
In the Estrogen episode, the man-turned-woman character discovers
that the girl he meets and likes is a lesbian, then must struggle
with the choice of if he wants to change back or not.
"The Flash"
The character of Everyman is intelligent instead of an idiot, and
becomes an ongoing enemy, and through some plot ends up replacing
Caitlin for an extended period of time.
"Legend of the Seeker"
In the episode with the two con artists impersonating the main
characters, instead of a husband and wife team it's two males, and
at the end the one impersonating the female lead gets stuck like
that.
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From: guest (vup)
, 80 months, post #5 |
For me the best missed opportunity was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer
episode where a guy inherits a letterman's jacket from his older
brother, a real "ladies' man". Suddenly every female that sees him
is smitten hopelessly to the point of desperate jealousy viz-a-viz
the other girls. Even Willow is affected and when Anya (?, I think)
reminds her she's shouldn't bother b/c she's a lesbian, Willow
says, "Oh, yeah...!" and starts to cast a spell to change the guy
into a girl. She gets one word away from completing the spell and
Buffy comes up behind Willow and puts her hand over Willow's mouth,
breaking the spell.
Damn!
, I thought. So close!
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From: guest (KJ)
, 80 months, post #6 |
To OP,
Does it have to be a comedy show?
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From: DB Cooper
, 80 months, post #7 |
No, though I was looking more for crossdressing episodes rather
than magical transformations.
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From: guest (Susan Donym)
, 80 months, post #8 |
Random, did you mean this episode of Legend of the Seeker,
"Mirror"? https://youtu.be/txaY74DX_eA
Because the plot you describe isn't quite what happens. The
con-person who is turned into a double of the heroine was
originally a woman, and at the end they get turned back to normal
and escape. I like your version a lot better! But I don't know this
show otherwise, and reading some plot summaries it looks like there
was a lot of impersonation and body-swap stuff. Could you be
referring to some other episode?
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From: DB Cooper
, 80 months, post #9 |
I think Random was describing the episodes as they wished they had
been.
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From: guest (KJ)
, 80 months, post #10 |
To OP,
Thanks, but not into crossdressing, so will pass on this
conversation.
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From: guest (Susan Donym)
, 80 months, post #11 |
Thanks, DB Cooper, I don't know how I missed that. It's the point
of the thread, after all. I guess my enthusiasm got the better of
me!
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From: DB Cooper
, 80 months, post #12 |
Disney's 'The Swap.' I'd hoped they'd end up stuck like that. Or
let's say at the end of the show, two of their friends run into
each other and swap. They do the obligatory double take, staring at
their bodies and feeling their chests...and then they grin at each
other and slap a high five.
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From: guest
, 80 months, post #13 |
Vup, that Buffy episode was more a cruel tease than a missed
opportunity. They set things up explicitly for a magical gender
transformation and then stopped it at the very last second.
It's been fourteen years and I'm still mad about that episode, lol
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From: guest (vup)
, 80 months, post #14 |
IKR?!!
It was a good episode, but it would've made a much more interesting
story if it had been a plot point/theme rather than just a quick
joke. (Esp. to us weirdos! :-B )
They could've made it an arc in the season, but alas.
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From: guest (Jayzie)
, 80 months, post #15 |
There are so many I can think of but every time I come to a thread
like this I can't remember any of them.
Steven Universe had a good one, but they missed opportunities in my
opinion. He was getting pretty close with Lapus and I was sure
they'd fuse at some point. Well, that's the main fusion I was
waiting for at least. I'll be back to this thread.
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From: DB Cooper
, 80 months, post #16 |
If we include shows with magic or extreme science, the
opportunities are endless. 'The Honey I Shrunk the Kids' TV show
had a male police officer turned into a bikini babe at the end of
the show, with the inventor father saying he's 'pretty sure' he can
change him back. I would have liked to have seen more of that.
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From: guest (vup)
, 80 months, post #17 |
So, if DB wanted X-dressing as the theme, But it's all over after one episode.
I'd say...
Speaking of Pete Scholari from "Honey I Shrank the Kids", he was in
"Bosom Buddies" w/ Tom Hanks. Gosh, crossdressing was almost, like,
a theme of that show or something. ;-)
Hanks kinda' looked like Frank-N-Furter from Rocky Horror, but
"Brad" seemed really into it.
I can think of several x-dressing themes in movies and sitcoms but
it's hard to think of any where they kept the character in drag who
had to deal with it for a prolonged arc or actually liked it.
But, if you allow for magic you have a lot more awkward situations
that have been explored, obviously more for comedy. ~shrug~
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From: guest
, 80 months, post #18 |
In the 90s there was a one-season sitcom called "Ask Harriet",
about a male sports writer who gets fired, then dresses in drag and
gets a job as an advice columnist.
And there's also Klinger in MASH, but that's not really in the
spirit of the thread.
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From: DB Cooper
, 80 months, post #19 |
Yeah, there was a sitcom called Work It about two guys posing as
women to find jobs, but it only lasted two episodes.
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From: guest
, 80 months, post #20 |
There's a quite recent one.
In the teen sitcom Henry Danger there was an episode ('Henry the
manbeast' i think) where the main character turns too manly because
of a machine. Later on, when they try to change him back, they
overcalibrate the machine, and he transforms into a girl. Only to
be turned back about 10 seconds later. That could've been a whole
episode on it's own!
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