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Missed TG opportunities in sitcoms
From: DB Cooper , 80 months, post #1
Every sitcom has at least one episode where one of the main characters dresses in drag. But it's all over after one episode. Which TV shows do you think dropped the ball when it came to keeping one of the characters in dresses?

In BOY MEETS WORLD, Shawn goes undercover as a girl for a school newspaper column. He takes over the part from Cody, after Shawn seems to be better at female mannerisms. Cody admits he finds Shawn attractive in drag. When someone suggests Shawn go by the name Janet, he refuses, and suggests Veronica instead, implying that he's thought about this. He goes on a date with a boy who proves to be a cad and Shawn punches him.

So...what if the boy had been a genuinely nice guy? Or what if Cody had acted on his attraction? Obviously, not sitcom appropriate at the time, but what if?

So which shows do you think could have explored the TG angle a lot deeper?

From: guest (Metoo) , 80 months, post #2
Woah talk about wishful thinking

From: Monsta , 80 months, post #3
I think "Fringe" was an obvious choice for some mainstream exposure to TG/TF elements. Sure, they had a few people turn into monster things, and there was that one rapid pregnancy, but overall it was TF mild.

I imagined a script for an episode called "Now You Know How it Feels". The episode opened with a right wing bigoted politician is giving a speech that was anti-gay marriage. (It was not yet legal US-Wide at the time of the show.)

At dinner after the speech he gets a fortune cookie that simply says "Now you know how it feels". The next morning he awakens to discover his wife has a penis.

Cut to credits.

Walter, Olivia and Peter show up to investigate and find it's connected to Tech stolen from Massive Dynamic, but of course, they have no knowledge of who took it or why. As the team closes in on the suspects, Olivia corners one of them only to suddenly collapse in pain, and the suspect gets away.

In the next scene Olivia awakens in Walter's lab and he is obviously shaken up. She questions him repeatedly about what happened, and he dodges for a bit only to finally hint that she too, has fallen to the same fate as the politician's wife. She runs to the bathroom, and a loud scream is heard.

Peter knows what's happened to Olivia, but Walter is not giving out details beyond "substantial" male genitals. The team sets out to capture the suspects and ultimately find a cure for Olivia.

The team does manage to capture one of the suspects, but he is killed shortly after, erasing their best lead. The episode ends with Walter admitting that Olivia would be stuck that way until he can better understand William Bell's original notes on the Massive Dynamic project, and even then there is a possibility she would never be fully female again.

This would have set up some amazing character development in later episodes. For example: Olivia getting frustrated during an investigation and shouting at her boss Boyles that "She thought that now that she had a penis she would get more respect around here". It also would have greatly complicated Peter and Olivia's relationship. There also could have been an arc of Olivia being angry and aggressive as she grappled with coming to terms with her mutated body.

Oh well.......

From: Random , 80 months, post #4
"Fantasy Island"
In the Estrogen episode, the man-turned-woman character discovers that the girl he meets and likes is a lesbian, then must struggle with the choice of if he wants to change back or not.

"The Flash"
The character of Everyman is intelligent instead of an idiot, and becomes an ongoing enemy, and through some plot ends up replacing Caitlin for an extended period of time.

"Legend of the Seeker"
In the episode with the two con artists impersonating the main characters, instead of a husband and wife team it's two males, and at the end the one impersonating the female lead gets stuck like that.

From: guest (vup) , 80 months, post #5
For me the best missed opportunity was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode where a guy inherits a letterman's jacket from his older brother, a real "ladies' man". Suddenly every female that sees him is smitten hopelessly to the point of desperate jealousy viz-a-viz the other girls. Even Willow is affected and when Anya (?, I think) reminds her she's shouldn't bother b/c she's a lesbian, Willow says, "Oh, yeah...!" and starts to cast a spell to change the guy into a girl. She gets one word away from completing the spell and Buffy comes up behind Willow and puts her hand over Willow's mouth, breaking the spell.

Damn! , I thought. So close!

From: guest (KJ) , 80 months, post #6
To OP,

Does it have to be a comedy show?

From: DB Cooper , 80 months, post #7
No, though I was looking more for crossdressing episodes rather than magical transformations.

From: guest (Susan Donym) , 80 months, post #8
Random, did you mean this episode of Legend of the Seeker, "Mirror"? https://youtu.be/txaY74DX_eA

Because the plot you describe isn't quite what happens. The con-person who is turned into a double of the heroine was originally a woman, and at the end they get turned back to normal and escape. I like your version a lot better! But I don't know this show otherwise, and reading some plot summaries it looks like there was a lot of impersonation and body-swap stuff. Could you be referring to some other episode?

From: DB Cooper , 80 months, post #9
I think Random was describing the episodes as they wished they had been.

From: guest (KJ) , 80 months, post #10
To OP,

Thanks, but not into crossdressing, so will pass on this conversation.

From: guest (Susan Donym) , 80 months, post #11
Thanks, DB Cooper, I don't know how I missed that. It's the point of the thread, after all. I guess my enthusiasm got the better of me!

From: DB Cooper , 80 months, post #12
Disney's 'The Swap.' I'd hoped they'd end up stuck like that. Or let's say at the end of the show, two of their friends run into each other and swap. They do the obligatory double take, staring at their bodies and feeling their chests...and then they grin at each other and slap a high five.

From: guest , 80 months, post #13
Vup, that Buffy episode was more a cruel tease than a missed opportunity. They set things up explicitly for a magical gender transformation and then stopped it at the very last second.

It's been fourteen years and I'm still mad about that episode, lol

From: guest (vup) , 80 months, post #14
IKR?!!

It was a good episode, but it would've made a much more interesting story if it had been a plot point/theme rather than just a quick joke. (Esp. to us weirdos! :-B )

They could've made it an arc in the season, but alas.

From: guest (Jayzie) , 80 months, post #15
There are so many I can think of but every time I come to a thread like this I can't remember any of them.
Steven Universe had a good one, but they missed opportunities in my opinion. He was getting pretty close with Lapus and I was sure they'd fuse at some point. Well, that's the main fusion I was waiting for at least. I'll be back to this thread.

From: DB Cooper , 80 months, post #16
If we include shows with magic or extreme science, the opportunities are endless. 'The Honey I Shrunk the Kids' TV show had a male police officer turned into a bikini babe at the end of the show, with the inventor father saying he's 'pretty sure' he can change him back. I would have liked to have seen more of that.

From: guest (vup) , 80 months, post #17
So, if DB wanted X-dressing as the theme, But it's all over after one episode. I'd say...

Speaking of Pete Scholari from "Honey I Shrank the Kids", he was in "Bosom Buddies" w/ Tom Hanks. Gosh, crossdressing was almost, like, a theme of that show or something. ;-)

Hanks kinda' looked like Frank-N-Furter from Rocky Horror, but "Brad" seemed really into it.

I can think of several x-dressing themes in movies and sitcoms but it's hard to think of any where they kept the character in drag who had to deal with it for a prolonged arc or actually liked it.

But, if you allow for magic you have a lot more awkward situations that have been explored, obviously more for comedy. ~shrug~



From: guest , 80 months, post #18
In the 90s there was a one-season sitcom called "Ask Harriet", about a male sports writer who gets fired, then dresses in drag and gets a job as an advice columnist.

And there's also Klinger in MASH, but that's not really in the spirit of the thread.

From: DB Cooper , 80 months, post #19
Yeah, there was a sitcom called Work It about two guys posing as women to find jobs, but it only lasted two episodes.

From: guest , 80 months, post #20
There's a quite recent one.
In the teen sitcom Henry Danger there was an episode ('Henry the manbeast' i think) where the main character turns too manly because of a machine. Later on, when they try to change him back, they overcalibrate the machine, and he transforms into a girl. Only to be turned back about 10 seconds later. That could've been a whole episode on it's own!

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