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From: guest (Guest)
, 83 months, post #21 |
I have yet to post on this site, but I will now. I am not one who
agrees with a transgender lifestyle but that doesn't make me
transphobic or whatever. That is not what my post is about though.
My point is that while you make some entertaining videos, that I
find funny, you must also realize, and it has been pointed out,
that there is a growing online population that would more take it
in a sexual way. I admit, since I am anonymous, that it is a fetish
of mine. I don't look at your videos that way though, but that
doesn't mean everyone can differentiate. I think your videos are
harmless, though perhaps you should leave your kid out in future
body swap videos, or leave any innuendos out. There have been
multiple channels on YouTube that deal with the transgender/body
swap style. My personal favorite is Three Degrees off Center
Productions. He makes videos that are harmless fun while
acknowledging the fetish with some innuendos interspersed to keep
it honest. However I think if he had children of any sort, but
especially his own, there would probably be similar complaints.
Don't take it the wrong way, and in other videos there should be no
problem, but if you want to continue making them I would personally
leave your child out. But it is just my opinion.
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From: guest (Cookie Momster)
, 83 months, post #22 |
@ guest in post #21.
Thank you for the input. OK, someone has to explain to me how this
is a fetish????!!!!! and how the videos can be taken in a sexual
way. PLEASE!!!
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From: guest (vup)
, 83 months, post #23 |
I think this whole thing is definitely as Jane says a gross
overeach of power. They had cleared you guys, but then turned
around and continued to question you guys and you guys destroyed
their points with logical counter arguments.
this^
My experience is that when someone says something proven to be
wrong, often they are too sensitive or egotistical to say "Oh, I
hadn't looked at it that way." The more wrong they are, the more
they double down. Having a doctoral degree in psychology doesn't
prevent that. Psychology has a long history of people making stuff
up w/out evidence and insisting they know what they're talking
about. I can think of a few instances off the top of my head but
won't get into it.
I'm with you on this. Your arguments are sound but know that at no
point are these people going to suddenly start liking logic that
shows them to be embarrassingly wrong, IMO. I could give even more
examples at to why this is within community standards considered
legit, with no proof of damage or endangerment. Without someone
over their heads telling them to stop, or a law suit after the
damage is done, you could be in some legal trouble. I'd check with
a lawyer or just lay back for a while so they go away.
I'm not in your country so I don't know how much pull I could help
you with.
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From: guest (vup)
, 83 months, post #24 |
@ Fed Up
While I might agree with you that the person in the video you
posted is an idiot, I don't understand why you hunt this stuff
down. I, in the course of a day, actively try to avoid
morons. Caring about what one says so you can feel outrage is a
destructive, masochistic hobby. Their numbers are such a tiny
percentage of the population and using selection bias to amplify
your perception that they are taking over the world is unnecessary
stress. That person had 16 down votes for every up vote. If you
went through those 16,000 down votes, do you think you wouldn't
find at least another 1,000 people who were idiots in some other
way?
I sound like I'm being cynical but I'm just saying: don't go to
outrage fomenting sites like that Moonie owned rag the Washington
Times who do it to get people to vote for politicians who don't
want people to be educated and then we end up with more stupid
people to deal with. Okay, this paragraph was way to political and
off-topic. I apologize. I'll get back to my point.
Your opinions and perspective on this matter are completely legit.
It's just that I felt the link you gave was a bit of a straw man.
It really didn't have to do with James' and Cookie's predicament.
You don't have to be Fed Up, IMHO. :-)
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From: guest (James Hergott)
, 83 months, post #25 |
Guest, we know where the complains are coming from Karin's ex
stated by text that he was taking the videos to CAS, and said how
it was perverse that the kids where wearing make up and dressed
opposite their sex.
As far as wankers on the internet, I cut this from the video for
length but only 9% of our viewers come from our home country and
statistically a child is much more likely to be molested by someone
close like a family member, friend or teacher. The thing about
predators from another country hunting down children is a bit of
hysteria .... we want to think that predators are these far off
creepy people when more likely than not it is the uncle or priest
or something..
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From: guest (James Hergott)
, 83 months, post #26 |
Guest, as just stated I think we want to convince ourselves that
online predators are the problem because then its something
external. Truth be told by statistics, its more dangerous to make
your kids an alter boy, put them in soccer, send away to camp etc
as that is where the true predators are. Im not really worried
about random people on the internet.
Vup, I agree people don't like to be proven wrong. Unfortunately we
have people in power who over extended themselves, probably didnt
think things through and then had no real answers. That said, I
think the best antidote is to do what we do and give our side using
reason and evidence. Yes your point is valid it may not change
minds but I also think that it prevents them from moving forward by
exposing their ridiculousness. The reality is I don't think they
have much of a defendable position. IMO sunlight is the best
dissinfectent. I doubt they would want to take legal action as then
they would have to commit to a logical argument of which I have not
yet heard. And any argument they take pretty much exposes them to a
counter. For example aside from the points in the video if they
said it was inappropriate for gender expression, then that is
illegal in our country to discriminate on that basis. Since nothing
illegal was done its really hard to commit to an argument which is
why I assume the letter was so vague to begin with.
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From: guest (stop)
, 83 months, post #27 |
I dunno, honestly I think your videos are creepy as hell and it
makes me uncomfortable to think about people jerking off to making
your kid cross dress. Maybe it is all innocent and it's just a nice
thing you do with your son, I'm not sure and I don't want to pry.
I would say that you need to stop posting them on fetish sights
like this, as it does give CPS a case for sure.
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From: guest (meatball)
, 83 months, post #28 |
Yeah I am going to have to agree with devils advocate here. At the
end of the day this is still an adult website, use any litmus test
you want for that, but I still clear my browsing history after
visiting here.
And I doubt after you make your videos you tell the family! "Hey
score! Can't wait to let the guys, and girls at metamorphose.org
know what we just made! I was going to do it at work, but the sites
blocked!"
Unfortunately you used your real identity, plus the identity of
your kids on this and it came to bite you back, and now you are
using Transphobic as a faux victim label. Transphobia exists but is
not appropriate in your case, and it cheapens it for people who
actually need to use it.
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From: guest (Bud)
, 83 months, post #29 |
Is anyone actually scared or afraid of transgender people? I've
never met a human that said "transgender people scare me" or "I'm
afraid of transgender people".
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From: guest (James Hergott)
, 83 months, post #30 |
Stop, I guess we think differently, when I think of our comedy
skits I don't think about people jerking off to them. There's porn
for that. I create what I create to be entertaining and silly even.
Meatball, I didnt know this was an adult website.. I mean it didnt
ask me for my age to sign on and never see graphic images. Its a
website about swapping etc. I know that and that we get traffic
from it.. I don't know that much about the community but I imagine
that much like Star Trek nerds there are people that have fetishes,
and interests that can as much be interpreted as romantic or
imaginary more so than sexual. Much in the way a kid fantasizes
with toys and wants to be a super hero. I think people are creative
and play with ideas.
Actually this site has nothing to do with Child Services. It was an
ex of Karin's that reported and who's text messages as to why had
to do with seeing the children in drag etc In other words he didnt
like the cross dressing, and thus what set the whole thing in
motion.
Bud, I think people are afraid of seeing things that are different
or unusual, especially in small town etc.
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From: guest (Bud)
, 83 months, post #31 |
Please leave Star Trek out of this.
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From: guest (Fed Up)
, 83 months, post #32 |
""It's just that I felt the link you gave was a bit of a straw man.
It really didn't have to do with James' and Cookie's predicament""
It has to do with the haphazardly tossing of the label,
"transphobic", and how it is not helping your argument. IMHO.
Do not like my using my child in these videos, you are transphobic!
Do not want to go out with my brother, who thinks he is my sister,
you are transphobic!
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From: guest (Some Thoughts)
, 83 months, post #33 |
Two things to say at the outset. One, I'm a transwoman. And two,
I've only watched one of your videos, so I can't really speak to
the content of all of them.
You don't seem to be especially familiar with Metamorphose.
Metamorphose is largely a community for transformation fetishists.
Not everyone who visits Metamorphose is a fetishist; I'm not, for
example. For me, TG transformation is a kind of wish fulfillment; I
can't become the kind of woman I would like, so I read stories and
watch videos about men becoming women so I can vicariously
experience becoming a ciswoman. But probably at least 80% of the
people who visit Metamorphose have a TG or transformation fetish;
they find the idea of switching bodies or becoming the opposite sex
or transforming into someone or something else arousing.
It's important to understand the difference between the transgender
community and the transformation and TG fetish communities. There's
some crossover between the communities, but for the most part,
they're distinct. Most people who are transgender don't have a
fetish for gender transformation, and most people who have a fetish
for gender transformation don't actually want to become women. The
vast majority of people on Metamorphose are not trans; they just
have either an intellectual or fetishistic interest in
transformation.
If it's any comfort, I don't think your children are the target of
anyone's fetish; this is not a pedophilia site. As I've said, I'm
not a fetishist myself, so I'm kind of approaching this as an
outsider; but I've been lurking or actively participating in this
community for about 20 years, so I think I have as good a grasp of
it as anyone. The "target", so to speak, of a TG transformation
fetishist's fetish varies from person to person, but it seems like,
for most people, what they find arousing is the idea of being a
woman, or the transformation process itself, or the idea of
"stealing" or controlling someone else's body, or the "humiliation"
of becoming a woman (there's a degree of sexism involved in this
last point). To the extent that any person is fetishized, it's the
woman who the male in the story or video becomes, not the male who
becomes that woman.
I am someone who writes content for the TG transformation
community. The content I write isn't typically explicitly sexual...
but, knowing that many of the people in this community see TG
transformation as inherently sexual and inherently arousing, I
usually avoid writing about children. I'll write about teenage boys
becoming teenage girls or adult men becoming adult women, but I
won't write about little boys becoming adult women or adult men
becoming little girls. Many (though not all) TG transformation
writers follow the same rule.
Everything I've written above is about how someone from the
Metamorphose community would interpret your videos... but, of
course, there are people who are watching your videos who aren't
from Metamorphose. For the general public, body swapping isn't a
fetish at all. It's just an interesting story trope they've seen in
movies like Freaky Friday. Their interest in your videos is much
more innocent than that of the Metamorphose community.
For what it's worth, I doubt the Children's Aid Society is aware of
Metamorphose or the fact that TG content is a fetish for some
people. I would not mention any of this to them, as it might make
them even more concerned about your videos.
As for the transphobia question... Cookie Momster, your ex does
sound transphobic. It sounds like his objection to your videos is
the fact that your children are being exposed to crossdressing and
other kinds of transgender content. As a transwoman, yeah, I'm not
terribly sympathetic to his point of view. It doesn't sound like
the Children's Aid Society is concerned about the transgender
content, though, but the more "adult" content in your videos. I
think they're probably being a bit prudish, but I don't think
they're being transphobic.
I can see why the CAS might be uncomfortable with the scenes you
cited. They don't know that you didn't have your son urinate on
camera and that you didn't show your son's friends your breasts. I
understand why they might be uncomfortable with parents having
their son explain sex on camera, even if he's only repeating what
he learned in school. And it's odd... most people would not be
uncomfortable with children seeing their mother in a bikini, but
they would be uncomfortable with children seeing their mother in
her underwear. Again, I think the CAS is being a bit prudish, and I
know you didn't have any sinister intent, but I do see where the
CAS is coming from. I think they're erring on the side of caution.
My advice, moving forward, is to not involve your children in these
videos, or at least to be very careful that there isn't any content
in future videos that might be perceived as sexual. Your ex and the
CAS are going to be watching you, so you need to tread carefully
going forward.
I'm sorry you guys got mixed up in this. You seem like good people,
and I know you meant well. Good luck.
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From: guest (James Hergott)
, 83 months, post #34 |
Some Thoughts, I have a deep respect for anyone who writes a well
reasoned and well thought out opinion and I also view your post as
you wanting to be both informative and helpful, which it was so
thank you!
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From: guest (Cookie Momster)
, 83 months, post #35 |
@Some Thoughts: Wow, that was such a great post. Thank you so much
for taking the time to write. I really do understand much better
now. I agree with what James said in the previous post. Thanks
again
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From: guest (Cookie Momster)
, 83 months, post #36 |
@Vup. Thank you for your input and offer to help. We talked to my
lawyer today. In the short term the kids won't be in any videos
period until we get a clearer idea of what constitutes
"inappropriate " and "sexual" and "disturbing". For all we know we
can do a video about yoga and be in the downward dog position and
they would take issue with that!!
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From: guest (Steph)
, 83 months, post #37 |
I considered making a post like this before, even before you posted
the video regarding what is happening behind the scenes, and what I
wanted to tell you was that while your videos were obviously
innocent in nature, I think when you started making them, you saw a
spike in views from communities like this one, and because of that,
you started to make more of the same type.
What I wanted to tell you is that I'm not sure that this is the
audience that you want to cater to, especially in videos that
feature your kids. Many of the people who frequent this site
(myself included) fetishize the idea of becoming a woman, and are
looking for content to masturbate to.
I didn't make the post before, because I didn't want to come of as
a jerk out to ruin anyone's fun, but you deserve to know this,
especially in light of what is happening. If you make videos like
this, people will masturbate to them, and because of this, if you
decide to continue making these kinds of videos, you might want to
keep your kids out of them.
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From: Miss Pinky
, 83 months, post #38 |
Yeah, James, its a fetish. Some people who watch your vids have
probably gotten off on the idea of you (or a little kid)
experiencing being in a woman's body.
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From: guest (Cookie Momster)
, 83 months, post #39 |
@ Steph and @ Miss Pinky. Thank you so much for the info. Talk
about learning something new everyday. With all this drama going
on, I think I could use a body swap right about now....
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From: guest (vup)
, 83 months, post #40 |
I didn't want to get into a semantic argument here, but I'll make
this point for a few of the people who pointed out that no one has
ever done anything resembling cowering in fear of transsexuals.
Probably there a few people who have been horrified or shielded
their children in the presence of one, but transphobia doesn't mean
that specifically. According to dictionary.com, they define it as
an "unreasoning hostility, aversion, etc., toward transgender people."
As for your fourth point, comparing it to incest is unfair and off
topic, at least. But...
I did get your point that quickly and wildly making accusations of
transphobia is pretty stupid and I actually agree with you. I think
the reason that James and CM were using the term was because in an
earlier post they mentioned that the CAS specifically referred to
exposing children to crossdressing as a comedy device as
sexualizing and therefore damaging them. James and CM asserted that
that is a nonsensical argument and I agree with them 100 percent.
I think the number of children who have seen Milton Berle or Jack
Lemon or Flip Wilson or Jamie Farr or Dustin Hoffman or Robin
Williams or Tom Hanks or Eric Idle or Eddie Murphy or Dave Foley or
so-and-so is approximately zero. ((Okay, I'll give you that Buffalo
Bill was pretty disturbing.)
As for this being the wrong web site to cater to, I did notice that
peeps were making some creepy requests and did mention it in one of
the threads here. It's a legit point.
As for protecting your free speech, J and CM, I support your rights
in that regard. My concern was, I don't know how powerful child
services are in your country but where I live they will err on the
side of "protecting the children" even if it does more damage such
as traumatizing them in protective custody. It's happened before.
You don't want them there while you go through a lengthy legal
battle. I'd recommend resolving this before you continue to place
them in videos with such content and then resuming at that time.
You might want to get a lawyer to write a letter that could scare
them off, but that's your call.
sorry for the tl;dr
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