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From: guest
, 89 months, post #41 |
Whatever happened to frosty117's account on writing.com?
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From: guest (guest)
, 89 months, post #42 |
I've noticed too. Maybe it's a subtle way of saying hes done with
the story?
i'd wish Frosty to confirm it himself tho.
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From: guest (BOb)
, 89 months, post #43 |
RIP Frosty. ='(
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From: guest (Guest)
, 87 months, post #44 |
i'm bumping this to connect to the other thread, incase anyone else
wants discussion.
https://metamorphose.org/thread/show.htp?threadid=21144&page=-1&se0=thread&se1=show
: guest (Blackdaw) , 6 hours, post #13
@Leon
Don't worry, I have a few character and little events in mind, it
won't all be sex and smut. That being said, the majority of the
focus will be on a few 'main' characters. I plan on taking a
similar angle that JR and Frosty took, that is, not cutting a whole
lot of time out of the story. While I'm not sure that I agree that
the original thread was repetitive, I think I've taken a different
spin. So I guess we'll see if it fits with what you're hoping for,
can't promise anything though. I really like a lot of the
characters already in the story, but there are a few others I'm
gonna throw in there. Maybe they'll mix things up enough for you.
@guest11
I'm happy to chat about this story, you guys seem to have some neat
ideas. I'm not game for everything that's thrown out of course, but
it helps to talk about some of this. If you feel like making
another thread, go for it.
Glad you like it. I'm getting a kick out writing Jezzer as so
vulgur. It's hard to describe, but the way he is demeaning her is
really erotic for me. Trying to think of ways to do it so as to not
make it repetitive. That's messed up but hey, it's a story about a
homeless guy possessing big-chested women...
Yeah I'm looking forward to finally getting him to perform as his
new identity around other people, especially Tim and Heather. I
think you're right, that will provide good opportunity for Jezzer
to further insult her, I'm sure he'll be quite smug as he parades
her around. As for this second point, I had a similar idea, but I'm
now sure when and how I would introduce this mechanic. I feel like
the pay off would be better if Jezzer simply had her forget most of
the things he does while inside her body, to start with. That way I
could play with her behaviour changing in subtle ways and
not-so-subtle ways due to his influence at first, while she's
totally unaware she's being manipulated. I don't know, the order of
events is still a little murky for me.
As for the memory, I will partially agree, in that the memory scene
in the masturbation chapter was a bit clunky. I knew that when I
submitted the chapter, but there were a few pieces of info and
characterization in there that I felt were still important enough
to leave in. I think I'm going to avoid the memory thing in a scene
involving any kind of action from now on, simply because it breaks
the pace.
As for me 'burning out', well, this is literally the first time
i've tried writing erotica. I won't promise that i'll add with
anything near the frequency that Frosty and JR were doing at one
point, but I would like to keep working on it.
Your points on diversity are pretty close to my intentions, I want
things to go pretty slowly as opposed to chaotically. Though I do
plan on switching to Tim's POV at some point soon, just so we can
see at least a little bit of his own internal reaction to what's
happening with his mother and soon, some of the other women around
him.
I agree, seeing Jezzer directly manipulate Rebecca will make this
quite a different story to the original thread I think. I'm not
sure what other 3 you're referring to, though.
Actually I quite like reading what other people think about this
story, i'm pretty new to this so hearing other ideas is quite
helpful. Just don't be surprised when some variation of it appears
in my work. I'm already going to borrow a few things from the main
thread, but I don't think that's a problem, considering the nature
of these interactive stories. Hopefully I make it original enough
to be worth it.
This last idea is pretty cool, I like it a lot. I do think that
something like this would be one of the steps that happens before
the level discussed before, where Rebecca is forced to watch Jezzer
manipulate her body. Having her less directly controlled by Jezzer,
via him just sitting in the back of her brain, is definitely
something I'd like to try. But again, the timeline is something I'm
not set on. As of right now, I'm still getting over Jezzer's second
orgasm :P
Thanks very much for the compliments and feedback. Nice to see that
this community is welcoming, if a little odd.
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From: guest (guest)
, 87 months, post #45 |
@Blackdaw
I'm hesitant on starting a thread because last time it turned into
the usual request forum.
I enjoy talking about stories on this topic, i also enjoy letting
the content creators know my/community's appreciation for their
work. Cause truthfully, people can just keep it to theirselves and
thats it. We are entitled to nothing but people forget that
sometimes.
I already said all i wanted so... i will just read and see what you
do next.
Don't fuss too much about the glitchy part thats hard get through.
Its like you said, the story is about a homeless dude possessing
someone! The premise is already ridiculous in the standard story
sense, so dont force yourself a logical solutions/mechanics. Its
your story, any mechanics you provide doesn't Have to make sense.
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From: guest (leon)
, 87 months, post #46 |
@Guest #11
As I said, my viewpoint is strictly limited as a reader, so I
wanted to thank you for pointing out the effort angle (and also for
starting the original thread of course.) I have to admit I was only
thinking how the story could be different, and hadn't given enough
thought to how much more work that would require or the stress it
can have on a writer, to not only create that diversity, but also
sustain it without comprimising the quality (though I believe
Wassel's work can definitely be an example.) All in all, I agree
with the argument of having less can be more (as I said in my
previous post), but reading about what is essentially the same act
over a number of chapters actually made
it stagnant, for me at least. But again, I understand that's what
most readers want (or at least those who voiced their opinions) and
frankly, I like the direction Blackdaw's taking the story. As I
said before, I'm hooked.
Though reading your comment on the memory part, I have to disagree
as I thought it was brilliant, and one of the most original things
I've come across in a possession story. And about minor characters
being introduced; Since the story is
an interactive, couldn't you just choose not to develop the
character, but leave the option for someone else to do so? (Maybe
as a different path like some quality interactives have done.)
Perhaps it's not a good idea to rule out the opportunity for more
collaborations, which could essentially remove the workload and the
stress you mentioned. We may even get to see another duo like
Frosty and JR.
@Blackdaw
I have no issues with the characters that Frosty and JR so
brilliantly developed, they were essentially what drew me in to the
story (along with their dynamics.) I'm actually glad that you're
considering the opinions of your readers.
"perform as his new identity"
<- This.
I have no concerns.
@barackobrahma
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@DocVS
When I first read your voice-shifts, it was the first time I
realized there could be a lot more to explore in a possession
story, and that you basically raised the bar. I agree with
everything you said about Blackdaw, and how Blackdaw employed it
was absolutely brilliant. It'd be great to see that in action
again.
And yeah, I think it's actually constructive, and nice to talk
about it, and have people with experience chip in even if they have
to (or want to) distance themselves from the 'darker' stories one
way or another. I've said this before, lovers of a dark tale are
not that uncommon, you just don't hear their voice because it's
basically, well, not only hard to talk about, but also of other
concerns of being shamed if they do so, and even of their privacy
to some extent. If these stories were that much 'niche', and they
didn't tap into some desire, none of the major productions of
varying media industries would consider involving these elements,
even when their creative freedom is limited. Just wait for an
opportunity (like for VR to become more mainstream) and see how
difficult it becomes to contain what people may actually want to
explore.
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From: guest (guest)
, 87 months, post #47 |
@leon
I think I didn't fully get my idea across, I really like the memory
thing as well but i think BlackDaw is right. It is the pacing,
which is why I originally thought he can maybe just simplify some
memories. Maybe keep Rebecca/Vessel's part in and Jeezer can just
give tidbits of his old life through out, but get into the details
when its significant to the motives of Jeezer's reasonings. Example
would be the liquor store interaction.
@DocVS
Good to see you! Been a fan of your stuff, ive read your stories
and some captions. You are like one of the OG writers of this
genre.
OFF TOPIC.
Sometimes i wish there's a patreon page for writers so theres a
forum/casual support for creators of the darker stories. I'm only
bringing this up cause i supporting German's(skinsuit/possession
hobbyists) patreon.
http://german3909090390.deviantart.com/gallery/61610027/Pool-Possession
This was his previous work, He has gotten better in the latest
pateron only ongoing story. I think you guys would be interested in
his stuff.
His first language isn't english so his story telling is a little
weak, but his 3d models, facial expressions and paneling is
probably the best ive seen. He has to satisfy his skinsuits patreon
(surprisingly, its more than half of his paterons) so he he has to
do some really detailed effects of people turning into skinsuits
lol. He has trouble making use of the memory accessing but at least
it still there.
Feel free to check out his stuff. Everything he does is free on his
deviantart after completion.
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From: guest (Blackdaw)
, 87 months, post #48 |
Got a few responses here,
From the other thread, @DocVS
Thanks so much for all the kind words Doc, high praise coming from
you. I'm glad that I'm hitting the right notes, but I'd like to
know more about why you think this was a game changer for you.
I've enjoyed making use of the voice swap, and I'm glad you think I
pulled it off well. I think using Jezzer's voice helps to remind
who he is, how crude and rough around the edges he can be. Jezzer
was surprised and delighted by the discovery, and don't worry,
he'll definitely make use of it more. When he reveals himself to
Tim (whenever that's gonna happen), i'm sure he'll be itching to
show off this depraved ability.
It just made sense for Jezzer. He's a pretty weird guy, and this is
probably not the first time he's imagined talking dirty with
Rebecca Gately, only now he actually has voice, body and mind to
act with. I'm glad you like the idea, hope to see how you've been
inspired soon :P
Your caps are great as usual, Doc. Thanks for the message.
@Leon
One thing you should consider about the original story I think, is
that it only took place over a few days. I'm gonna be taking a
pretty slow approach as well I think, and we're probably gonna see
Jezzer keeping his 'eye on the prize' as it were. Right now
Jezzer's two primary goals are:
1. Enjoy Rebecca's body.
2. Seduce Tim.
Past that, pretty much everything is ancillary to Jezzer. That
being said, this isn't going to be the same story that JR and
Frosty wrote, not entirely at least. We'll see how it develops. As
for leaving options open for people, they're always free to take a
crack at a follow-up chapter. That being said, I'd request that
people allow me one chapter option to continue on my own, as I'll
continue leaving the first option marked as 'reserved'. I'd love to
write in response to somebody else, if the quality was high, but I
also want to make sure I've got space to continue with my own plan
if there's some creative difference.
Right now I've got most of the 'main characters' from the original
planned. SPOILERS:Click to show spoiler
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@guest47
Right now I'm sort of trying to show Jezzer's control over her mind
to be sporadic. Her memories are powerful, and are bleeding into
his consciousness without his bidding. Like the liqour store and
with the blowjobs, for example. It's just how his brain works, and
he'll probably get better at controlling it as he continues to
exert his powers.
Thanks for the posts, sorry if I rambled or missed a point.
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From: barackobrahma
, 87 months, post #49 |
Wow. This thread makes me happy (after making me sad with JohnG
leaving (and I wouldn't be surprised if Blackdaw revealed that he,
indeed, is just another character invented by the same mind that
invented JonhG, since both seems very good writers that go thought
details around the scene, which is rare, almost non-existent))... I
dont know how I can contribute, so I'll just keep following what
you guys are talking.
@leon
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From: guest (Blackdaw)
, 87 months, post #50 |
@Barack
Nope, just me.
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From: DocVS
, 87 months, post #51 |
@leon - I totally get that it's very taboo to talk about this, and
that there is a danger of exposure or an invasion of privacy. I
just sometimes feel a little bit excluded, or isolated, if that
makes any sense. Seeing this topic sort of explode in a way in
terms of popularity and appeal piqued my interest and gave me the
courage to reach out. Honestly, you guys are all pretty cool, and I
knew this back when you had referenced my work, or how I saw that
some of my work was being recognized as solid contributions to this
very specific genre of TG fiction and fantasy.
@guest - Jeeze, I'm OG? Man I feel old now...I only started
creating my TG captions a few years ago. But nice to see that you
enjoy my work, I do my best to try to evolve it to a new level of
perversion. With Blackdaw's influence that may happen a bit more
often
@Blackdaw How is your work a game changer? Its pretty simple: the
powers and abilities Jezzer develops now aren't just throwaway
abilities that have a one time use. There's an actual purpose to
them that Jezzer will use I'm sure in the future to his own
depraved delight. I really would like to incorporate that in my
character's personalities in future captions or stories. Of course
it won't happen ALL the time cause that can grow stale but I mean
from my standpoint, you just helped to "legitimize" voice swapping
and perverted possessions.
And as most people already know, this is something that I
personally enjoy. And I know that for some, it has been held in not
the best light. Cause it can be an odd duck as it can blemish the
appeal of being the other sex, the appeal of tapping into one's
feminine mystique. One, the voice swap is a perverted reminder that
someone is forcefully usurping the life and identity of a woman. I
have tried to be tolerant and to do other material that is more
"mainstream" or popular, and for the most part I enjoy them. But I
can't really can't change that this is my first love and interest.
And Blackdaw's work just helped me to justify that. :-)
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From: guest (Guest)
, 87 months, post #52 |
Just spitballing here, what if Jeezer just have the sick fantasy of
Rebecca seducing her family initially but now he has the power to
act on it and make it a reality. That would give him the "motive"
of how all this started.
He realized this power can essentially become a tool for him to
"Roleplay" any scenario he wishes. Which explains the desire of him
possessing other women and his little mirror roleplay.
Even if Tim finds out the truth, he is so weak willed against the
temptations and with his own incestuous desire slowly creeping out
against the better part of himself. He just ends up becoming what
Jeezer wants him to be.
I find this a better motive than Jeezer simply having romantic
feelings towards Tim like in JR/JohnG verison.
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From: guest
, 87 months, post #53 |
The way BlackDaw's stuff reads so far seems like his version of
Jezzer has been lusting after Rebecca and Tim for some time
already.
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From: guest (Blackdaw)
, 87 months, post #54 |
@DocVS
I think intertwining the powers and the story are important for
this kind of fiction. You pin it down well here, a lot of stories
use the powers just as a one off thing, without really considering
why and how the powers work. I like developing this sort of thing.
I wouldn't worry so much about what others want, Doc. You've got a
great thing going, and people will continue to enjoy it regardless
of how the mainstream might go.
@guest52
I think that's a little too specific, and would be a bit too
'lucky'. I think I've got a pretty good grasp on his motivations
for the moment, but thanks for the suggestions. I think what I've
got goes a little bit beyond just Jezzer's lust, so keep watching.
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From: DocVS
, 87 months, post #55 |
I'm a bit troubled that during this discussion, it has been said
that the topic here is too taboo. And I sort of see why, as dark
tales of identity theft, and the fundamental nature of possession,
is to usurp one's body and identity by force or by strong coercion.
I still think though engaging in meaningful discussion on the
subject is still OK in my opinion. Other genres of TG fiction and
fantasy get their credit where they are due, but possession often
is an "unsung hero" to me in TG fiction. Just my two cents.
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From: guest (Blackdaw)
, 87 months, post #56 |
It's messed up, but there's nothing wrong with these stories.
Fiction would be incredibly boring if one was not allowed to
explore the darker side of human nature.
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From: guest (guest)
, 87 months, post #57 |
@Blackdaw
Hey! just read your chapter! awesome stuff. Just curious, You
planning to use the function as a side note for Tim's perspective
or something?
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From: guest (Blackdaw)
, 87 months, post #58 |
Not sure what you mean, guest.
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From: guest (guest)
, 87 months, post #59 |
Oh sorry lol, i mean using the site's branching option for making
"sidenotes" on Tim's pov. Im not even sure i convey my question
properly Tbh.. hahaha
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From: guest (Blackdaw)
, 87 months, post #60 |
Ah yeah I thought that's maybe what you meant. Yes, it'll be a
branch switching to Tim's point of view, like the JR Frosty thread.
I have no immediate plans of taking the branch, but figured I'd
leave it there in the long run. If anyone feels like taking a swing
at it, go for it, please just make another option branch with a
reserved spot for me.
Glad you like the story, thanks for the message.
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