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From: guest (Bud)
, 92 months, post #41 |
Any more thoughts to this?
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From: Air Gear
, 92 months, post #42 |
Ah yes, I was coming back to this, I was prepping Portugal. Well
... no time like the present.
Portugal seems to be on the bottom of a lot of people's lists but
it's my favourite. It's the "hard sci-fi" version if you like. No
magic, it's all science. Crazy, crazy science. The actual name is
"Ele é Ela".
Basically, you know the drill. Man in charge of a men's magazine
H+7 by the name of Julio Bordal who's quite the ladies man crosses
path with a woman that he has a one night stand with who doesn't
take kindly to being left behind in his wake, so she later
confronts him at work. So pretty much the same as the other
versions. The twist? She's actually a scientist (not a witch or a
friend of witches) and she roofies his drink with her latest
invention.
So after drinking it, going home to his flatmate Simone (the BFF)
and I think they do make some fun of her as let's face it, this
version of the ROMINA is especially crazy, he wakes up the next
morning and goes to use the bathroom and ... well, you know the
rest. He still has to go to work and pretend to be his own cousin
and do his own presentation after the obligatory convincing of his
BFF as to who he is.
The first episode started with this as the cold open and then
rewound things to explain how it happened. Obviously, there can't
be a SWAP.
Interesting bit of trivia, Julio is played by Marco D'Almeida and
his alter ego 'Julieta' by Benedita Pereira. They previously
appeared together in a long running Portuguese soap opera called
Tempo de Viver (which I think is 'Time of Your Life' or something
like that) and before the halfway mark of the very first episode,
they're already engaged in a torrid affair on his office desk.
These two were actually a good choice because they're about the
same height and their facial features are close enough that it
could be plausible they're really the same person after some
scientific rejuggling, I guess?
Obviously, in this they can never meet. The closest that happens is
when Julio as Julieta gets startled by a cardboard cutout of Julio
that he in his current state was just not expecting to see. Ends up
with him collecting all of them and setting them on fire in the car
park.
Anyway, the big complaint about this one is that he never adjusts
to his situation but I find that fits with the 'hard sci-fi'
version of the show. We've got like a dozen other versions, most of
which go that way to varying degrees, so why not do the closest
real-life reaction of someone who is turned into something they
don't want to be? It's certainly the most realistic, that's for
sure.
Another big plus for me was that is actual a version where the LEAD
actually tells his family what happens straight off. Admittedly, he
was a bit boxed in by his father threatening to call the police
when the explanations as to where his son was but Julio doesn't
really try to dodge for too long.
Initially, his father is shocked but after a hostage situation at
their workplace, his father father realises he's being unreasonable
and comes around, however, he finds Julio's attempts at an
explanation to be a bit too fanciful so Julio has to fall back to
the more believable explanation that he'd decided to transition and
well ... just never told his father. Kind of gets even more awkward
when his father goes from accepting to actively trying to be
helpful.
So, this one ran for 28 episodes, twice as long as most of the
other show's episodes but that still makes this one of the
shortest. In the next post, I'll break down some of the elements
that came up but you had a lot of the common ones, trying to do his
job, trying to find the ROMINA to get this all reversed, fending
off the romantic attention of the FACUNDO and also dodging the
investigations of his best friend Sergio, who I guess is the
ANTAGONIST because he's worried sick that something's happened to
his good friend and he's not buying 'Julieta's' story for a second.
I think the one big opportunity they missed was with the ending
(either of them) which I'll also cover and after this one, I've
actually decided to do the US pilot because a) yes, it's quick but
also b) kind of actually shares a few elements with this one.
Whether it's a co-incidence or design, I don't know.
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From: guest (vup)
, 92 months, post #43 |
Thanks, Air Gear. Your work is appreciated.
Quick point of clarification: 28 episode = twice as long as most
but "one of the shortests"? That left me confused. Also, do you
know how many episodes each of the 13 Lalolas ran for? Don't kill
yourself, I was just wondering if you know.
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From: Air Gear
, 92 months, post #44 |
I should have just said that Portugal's version had episodes that
ran for about 45 minutes while the others seemed to be somewhere
between 20 and 30. Actually checking that, seems like a lot of the
major ones were 45 minutes so forget I said anything.
Off the top of my head ...
Argentina = 150
Philippines = 85
Indonesia = 13 (I think these were 45 minutes or so)
India = 120
Chile = a lot 200 plus (Chile's one time longest drama, maybe still
is)
Turkey = 22 (then cancelled)
Vietnam = 100 (150 were planned at one point)
Belgium had a lot. Something like 40 x almost 2 hour blocks or
something (that's what they are on youtube - broadcast may have
been 45 - 50 minutes each)
Peru ran for a long time as well, than might have been at least 200
or so as well.
Spain - just looked it up, was 160 x 45 minutes though it got
rather badly condensed for the last 30 something or so being cut
down to 6 or something like that (ratings ...)
Greece, honestly not sure. Rest, not coming to me off the top of my
head.
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From: guest (vup)
, 92 months, post #45 |
TYVM, AG!! Just what I was wondering.
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From: guest (1015elvis)
, 92 months, post #46 |
I am just happy that I at least get to watch the first 30 episodes
on youtube with english subtitles.
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From: guest (Bud)
, 92 months, post #47 |
This is a very trivial question but it's been bugging me. In the
Chilean version of Lalola, what type of panties/underwear did Lalo
wear when he was Lola? Did he wear men's boxer briefs or women's
boyshorts?
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From: guest
, 92 months, post #48 |
I just watched a few episodes of the Chilean Lola (as in this thread) and episode 9 answers Bud's question. There was an ENF scene at
the end. Of course, there are 276? episodes and I only watched a
few so I don't know if that changed. (not the hottest Lola actress,
but wow the other women!)
For those who don't want to look it up:
Click to show spoiler
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From: Air Gear
, 91 months, post #49 |
OK, it's been almost a month, so some more on Portugal's take on
Lalola with Ele e Ela.
I think one big missed opportunity is that it never really tied the
two separate story threads together. One is the LEAD Julio and his
dilemma about being stuck in a body which isn't his - and dealing
with the friends and family who know (almost all outside work) and
his alter ego Julieta at work and the issues in the workplace,
which are a lot more generic.
I think a really big missed opportunity was that the mad scientist
(the ROMINA in this version) never publicly outed him. So by that,
I mean it is a public magazine, so make them and specifically the
lead editor the story.
Which would totally have been in character with the vengeful
one-night stand having a public press conference where she unveils
her new discovery and when someone inevitably asks if it would work
on people, she publicly named our LEAD as having been in this
situation for several months. Of course, everyone sees this at work
and in the final episode or two, Julio/Julieta has to deal with
this.
Since almost everyone in the show in actuality never found out,
that side of things always seemed like a more generic office
drama/comedy and as such, it was like two different shows sharing
some cast sitting uneasily next to each other. Lots of missed
opportunities too as it would have all the characters at work
having to deal with this information.
For example, there was a whole storyline earlier on where Julio's
boss had to deal with Julio's best friend Sergio who'd become
convinced that Julio and Julieta was the same person (after earlier
thinking Julieta had imprisoned Julio or worse).
Ends up kind of fizzling out as a plot point in the end,
unfortunately. Julio does end up convincing Sergio later that it is
still him but that's much later and after everyone including Sergio
ends up thinking he's having a nervous breakdown and Julio and BFF
Simone don't do anything about it. Then after he's told and
convinced of the fact, it doesn't lead anywhere, so not sure what
the point of all of that was.
Thoughts, anyone?
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From: guest (Bud)
, 91 months, post #50 |
My favorite part of the Lalolas is seeing the leads deal with their
new female bodies and being uncomfortable in their and dealing with
every aspect of being a woman including fashion and unwanted
attention from men.
Ele e Ela was a disappointment. I hated how the male character
never at least once tried to give being a female a chance. He was
so hellbent on being manly in every way especially attire. Those
sandals that he wore in his female body were fugly. The outfits he
wore were hideous. The only time I thought he actually acted girl
is when he got dressed up for that company event when the bad guys
broke in and took them hostage. I guess you could also count the
time he went swimming and jumped off the diving board in a black
tight one piece swimsuit.
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From: Air Gear
, 90 months, post #51 |
I take a different view. Of the 13 different versions, we have a
majority of them where the lead character gives being female "a
chance" and then some. I actually like it where we have a version
that's probably the closest to reality. I mean there's a lot of
unrelated stories about people having to deal with what they're
not, in this case, someone's turned into something they never
wanted to be. Why should they give it a chance and why would they
like it?
As for the clothes, well, I think out of all of them, these were
the most functional and practical for the workplace for the best
part. I agree about the sandals but that's because of the heels.
That was the one part of his attire that was decidedly
unnecessarily impractical as he wasn't used to them (and we saw him
stumbling over them to start with - should have gone with flats).
The company party was a weird one in that was the only time that he
ever dressed like that in the entire series outside of the very
beginning when Simone was trying to find him something to wear for
work. It was a weird couple of episodes that really didn't fit the
tone of the show as to why anyone would hold up a magazine office
and take hostages even if there was something valuable there.
There's so many more promising targets with fewer people around.
I really think the big missed opportunity was not tying the two
threads together (his work life - who didn't know at all - and his
family life where apart from Simone - everyone thinks he's
transitioned). Finally being forced to deal with everyone publicly
knowing the truth and being made to choose at the end would have
potentially been interesting.
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From: guest (Bud)
, 90 months, post #52 |
I definitely feel like his "girly" moments were few and far
between. The black swimsuit diving board scene was a waste. It
would have been funny and more interesting to see him stay there
longer and have to interact with women and men checking him out in
the swimsuit and perhaps a man grabbing his butt or something.
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From: Air Gear
, 90 months, post #53 |
We kind of had that scene when he threw a shoe at some guys who
catcalled him from a car.
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From: guest (Bud)
, 90 months, post #54 |
Oh wow. 1 minute of the entire series LOL.
The thing that I love about the Lalolas is that a chauvinistic
manwhore gets his just desserts. I love how he as a gorgeous female
gets to experience the way he treated women when he was a male.
What about the Peruvian Lalola? What was the deal with that one's
attire? She dressed like she was going to the club every day.
Extremely short, tight, and low cut dresses.
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From: Air Gear
, 90 months, post #55 |
Hold your horses there, Bud. We're doing Portugal here. We'll get
to Peru soon enough (though at this current pace, it might be a
year or two).
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From: guest
, 90 months, post #56 |
Anyone have the exact episode/time stamp for the black
swimsuit/diving scene?
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From: Air Gear
, 90 months, post #57 |
First 30 seconds and last 30 seconds of Episode 15.
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From: guest (Bud)
, 90 months, post #58 |
Okay, I'll wait. Answer this for me. Why weren't we able to get a
booty shot of him in that black swimsuit on the diving board? And
maybe a butt slap or grab?
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From: Air Gear
, 90 months, post #59 |
Since you're helping keep this thread ticking over, I'll do Peru
after India (next will be the US pilot because that'll be quick and
there are actually a few things worth mentioning).
As for the rest of Portugal, I guess it's about time to wrap that
one up now. I can only really say that those are really a question
for the Portuguese production company, though.That, and about their
overall approach.
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From: guest (Bud)
, 90 months, post #60 |
So get it going. I'm ready to talk about the Peruvian Lalola. I
still don't get the fashion and heel choices in that one. He wore
extremely tight short tube top dresses with stripper heels.
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