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Does the main character turn back into a male in Margosha?
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From: guest (Air Gear) , 95 months, post #21
Oh, OK, I guess it got lost in there.

No, no-one changed back. Unlike all the other versions, the two people who swapped ended up getting married to each other. There was a brief dream sequence at the very start of the third season where the lead had a nightmare where she'd swapped back but then she woke up.

Some of those older threads had people saying they didn't like this turn of events and wanted it to end like the others but I actually like how many versions did something different, who wants to see the same thing done over and over again 13 times? That's also why I stand up for the Portuguese one as that's probably the most 'realistic' and it's nice to see that scenario play out at least once.

From: cj , 95 months, post #22
"I'll just copy and paste the World Tour into a new one?"

Beautiful!

Thank you Air Gear!

From: guest (Air Gear) , 95 months, post #23
No problem. It'll be good for me too, save me from having to repeat myself whenever this topic comes up. I'll try and space posting in that thread to no more than 1/day, so I'll copy Belgium across tomorrow and periodically write the rest then (some can be combined entries).

From: Holly Dunn , 90 months, post #24
Wow. I just downloaded and watched Margosha Season 3, which I had never watched. Season 3 was pretty good, after Season 2 was kind of a flop.

I wish I spoke some Russian, as to understand about the earrings. Did anyone else notice Margot never wears earrings in the entire series? There was a point in Season 3 that may have shed some light on it:

Click to show spoiler
Gur jbzna va ure znyr obql tvirf ure qvnzbaq rneevatf va rcvfbqr 66 ng gur 39:55 znex. Fur ershfrf gb jrne gurz, ohg gura riraghnyyl jrnef gurz va rcvfbqr 82 gb na ratntrzrag cnegl. Fur qbrfa'g jrne rneevatf ntnva hagvy fur jrnef fbzr gb jbex va gur svany rcvfbqr, naq gura ng gur jrqqvat va gur svany rcvfbqr. V jbhyq ernyyl ybir sbe fbzrbar jub fcrnxf Ehffvna gb rkcynva jul. Fur nqbeaf urefrys jvgu znxrhc, qerffrf, arpxynprf, naq oenpryrgf, fb jul ab rneevatf?N pbhcyr bs bgure uvtuyvtugf: Va Frnfba 3 Rcvfbqr 62, fur ortvaf univat frkhny snagnfvrf nobhg ure riraghny uhfonaq naq qbrf rirelguvat fur pna gb ercerff. Guvf tbrf ba guebhtu gur ynfg 30 be fb rcvfbqrf. Irel vagrerfgvat raqvat gung fur oernxf hc jvgu gur Snphaqb crefba naq zneevrf ure sbezre obql.

So if anyone who has Season 3, it would be great to understand that dialogue. Anyone understand her overall aversion to earrings? She gets dolled up after wearing male clothes in Season One Episode 9. She gets dolled up for a night out in Season One Episode 19.



From: Holly Dunn , 90 months, post #25
As this site is a catalog of transformations, let me share some more Margosha stuff. I speed watched some episodes this weekend and read some online sites in Russian, via Google translate. It was still confusing, so please excuse me if I am wrong about any interpretations. I do not speak Russian.

To answer the OP question, it appears there are 5 seasons of Margosha, though I don't think anyone outside of Russia has seen beyond season 3.

There are episode by episode descriptions here:

Margosha.net

Google translate will let you read them, though it is a rough translation.

Has anyone scene video evidence of seasons 4 and 5?

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Ng gur raq bs frnfba 3, ur vf fgvyy va gur jbzna'f obql naq raqf hc zneevrq gb uvf bevtvany obql. Univat sbhaq gur jbzna jub jnf genafsbezrq vagb uvf obql, gurl fcraq gur frnfba frnepuvat gb trg punatrq onpx, naq vg oernxf hc Znetb jvgu gur "Snphaqb" ercynprzrag ybir vagrerfg. Ng gur fgneg bs frnfba 4, vg vf frireny zbaguf yngre naq ur vf certanag. Gbb onq gurl fxvc nurnq gb guvf, nf rira ng gur zneevntr, ur jnf fgvyy chfuvat gur znyr va uvf obql njnl. Va frnfba 3, ur jnf univat frkhny snagnfvrf gbjneqf gur znyr, ohg qvqa'g npg ba vg bgure guna choyvp jrqqvat naq ratntrzrag xvffrf. Vg jbhyq unir orra avpr gb frr ubj gurl erpbapvyrq guvf grafvba vafgrnq bs fxvccvat fgenvtug guebhtu gb gur certanapl. Ernqvat nurnq, vg qbrfa'g nccrne gurl genafsre onpx gb gurve bevtvany obqvrf. Ohg vg vf uneq gb gryy tvira gur uhaqerqf bs rcvfbqrf naq gur cbbe Tbbtyr genafyngvbaf. Va frnfba 4 jvgu gur arj Znetbg certanag, gur sbezre srznyr va Tbfun'f obql fnlf ur jnagf gb fjvgpu onpx gb rkcrevrapr zbgureubbq. Fb gurl nera'g tvivat hc gur dhrfg gb trg onpx. Ng yrnfg abg pbzcyrgryl.

Anyway, some really good stuff. I can't believe they stretched this over 5 seasons at 60-90 episodes a season.

Too bad the video doesn't seem to exist anymore other than torrents of seasons 1-3.

From: guest (Bud) , 90 months, post #26
I'm going to call bs on this. It's probably an April Fool's joke or fan fiction. I remember a long time ago someone tried to pull something like this about the Chile Lola and it was fake. It would be cool if it was true but no I don't think it is real.

From: guest (Zhang Fei Fan) , 90 months, post #27
Holly,

I have checked that site through Google Translation and it looks like "Season 4", "Season 5" & "Margot. 20 Years Later" are just fanfic written by the site owner. The commentators in that site even use inverted commas to refer to them (like "fourth season"), implying that it is not official. Also they use term such as "readers" (instead of viewers).



From: Holly Dunn , 90 months, post #28
Bud, what are you calling fake? Hmm... very possibly seasons 4&5 may be a fan fiction. But there are like 90 episodes summarized in each. And every episode, all 240 in seasons 1-3 are summarized on the same site.

The fact that there is no video I've ever seen past season 3 is an indication of this. But what throws me is why there would be a bunch of one page summaries for season 4&5.

Also, I bought DVD's off of eBay and they were pirated TV recordings. So to think 4&5 couldn't exist but couldn't get out of Russia seems real also.

I was shocked season 3 existed for 90 more episodes after 60 season one episodes and 90 season 2.

And yes,a person did walk on the moon. Lol.

From: Air Gear , 90 months, post #29
There's nothing stopping people adding things to imdb even if the video is (somehow) inaccessible (which seems even less likely these days) provided it's real.

Sounds like fanfic to me. I've seen people do things like write scripts for whole extra seasons of things like Neon Genesis Evangelion as just one example.

From: Holly Dunn , 90 months, post #30
Yeah, upon inspection it appears "Seasons 4&5" are fanfic, even though they read like synopses of the other 240 episodes. They were really short, and I can't believe people posted like 100 of these for "two seasons."

I ordered what I thought were legit copies of season two of this one and all of Filopino Lalola online but they were over the air recordings that someone had pirated and I paid good money for.

There aren't any episodes of Margosha on Youtube and Vimeo anymore (episode 1 is there, but the other 239 aren't.) I hate to suggest finding torrents or other downloads, but I also fear this three year not-for-sale 240 Russian serial may soon be lost to time.

I'll see about posting some notes regarding highlights which include dressing as a man before getting shunned by the women, leaving, and returning to the office full femme, erotic dreams about a male coworker, and wedding fantasies.

Anyway, the Russian Lalola series called Margosha or "Маргоша" in Russian is my favorite of the Lalolas.

Wishing to be someone else, the main character struggles for self-acceptance and eventually finds a way to lover herself and her man. It is really touching.

From: Air Gear , 90 months, post #31
Have you looked at the official site? This seems to be all three seasons. Or am I mistaken on that?

http://margosha.net/order.php

From: Holly Dunn , 90 months, post #32
The conversion rate of "300,00" rubles to .16 dollars comes out to $480, unless I am mistaken. the Russian comma may be in a different pace. or maybe a comma means a period. I'd probably buy it for up to $70 USD, but ordering $480 off of a Russian site is not in my comfort zone. They also make no mention of US shipping, and the country dropbox doesn't work in my browser. I got burned ordering Season 2 of the Russian series and the full Filipino series off of eBay. How "official" is this official Russian site?

If anyone can correct me on the price and the shipping to the USA, I'll consider buying it.

From: Air Gear , 90 months, post #33
On a closer look, there's a message saying sales are suspended.

From: guest (vup) , 90 months, post #34
maybe a comma means a period

Yes, in many European countries the comma and period have their meanings swapped compared to American use and I believe Russia is one of them. (Is that a metamorphosis? Yeah, I know. Not funny)

Anyway, I recall that when the U.S. put sanctions on Russia a couple of years ago the exchange rate of 30 rubles per dollar soared to 60 rubles per dollar and I stopped watching after the ruble rose back to 50 to one. In any case, currently it is:

Russian Ruble: 1 RUB = 0.0154080 USD

US Dollar: 1 USD = 64.9015 RUB

300.00 rubles is basically, like, 5 bucks.

From: cj , 90 months, post #35
Thank you vup, for clearing things up on monetary separators around the world, and the currency exchange rates at the time you grabbed them.

From: Air Gear , 90 months, post #36
Well, I found a whole bunch of clips (including at least one behind the scenes video) here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rzb8uBDVCQ

From: Holly Dunn , 90 months, post #37
The clip Air Gear linked above was the wedding at the end of the series. Only in two wedding fantasies, and two episodes at the end of season 3 does she wear earrings. They are the wedding shower, and the wedding itself, though she does wear earrings to the office in the series finale (Season 3 Episode 90, I believe.) That is interesting to me, because she gets more feminine throughout the series, and that is a surprising differential. Since the full episodes are getting harder to find, I've cataloged some highlights from the 60 season first season. I don't speak Russian, so I cannot guarantee their accuracy.

Margosha was my favorite of the Lalolas.

Episode 01 – The transformation happens. The new woman dresses in a skirt and goes to work.
Episode 09—She brings a lesbian back to the house, but can’t go through with making love. She goes to work wearing a man’s suit, only to be chastised by the women. She goes shopping and returns in a short dress.Episode 16 44:39—Margot waxes her legs
Episode 17—Margot goes on date with Andrei and has her first period. She goes to a drug store for feminine products.
Episode 19—An investor in the magazine sees her picture and insists on meeting her. The staff goes out to a bar, and several staff members including the boss call her to come out. She shows up in a little black dress with her hair curled around the 41:35 mark.
Episode 20—She ends up in a date with the investor. He takes her to his hotel room and is all over her. She blindfolds him to the bed and calls a hooker.
Episode 39—Erotic Dreams about a male co-worker.
Episode 40—The fantasies work their way into daydreams. The set of the sexy men’s magazine shoot looks like her erotic dream. She calls her friend’s radio show because there is a psychologist on the show. The expert says the feelings are natural.
Episode 42—Wedding fantasy at 18:55 mark. Wears earrings in fantasy.
Eoisode 44—First real kiss at end of episode.
Episode 45—Passion and kissing continues.
Episode 47—Appears to get her period again, which now affects her sex life.
Episode 54—She takes a date, an escort, to the office party to make her Andrei jealous. Andrei had gotten back together with Natasha, from the office. At the office party, she hangs on the guy quite a bit. But they leave when a male stripper goes up on stage.
Epoisde 60—In the season finale, Margo gets together with Andrei. In previous two or three episodes, Margo had been out with a lesbian, but rejected her advances.The season ends with Margo and Andrei kissing.


From: Air Gear , 90 months, post #38
Maybe the earrings thing is just a preference of the actress?

From: guest (Bud) , 90 months, post #39
I still don't get how the guy in a woman's body fell for the woman in his male body.

I think the earrings thing is probably just a continuity hole. Or maybe not. The guy's body was transformed into the woman's body so maybe the body is just like hers so the ears are pierced and the cherry is popped.

From: Air Gear , 90 months, post #40
Maybe it's just as simple as they were the only two people in the world who could understand what the other was going through (as far as they know). I don't really find it any more strange than for some reason, how the sexual orientation of the main character seems to flip in most versions very quickly (at least the Philippines puts in an explanation - magic and Portugal - doesn't flip it).

I also liked how this version did a number of things the others didn't. These include:

1) ID documents - we're all recorded on a lot of systems. This actually came up with a solution that could in theory work as each took on each other's identity. Well, once they extricated themselves from that "I'm his cousin."

2) Dealing with the parents - a few of the others did like Portugal (tell the truth, or at least as much as people will believe - how novel), the Philippines (actually give a role to that ties into the plot to a significant degree) - also especially have to extricate themselves from the whole cousin thing as if there's anyone who would know that's not true, it'd be them.

3) Actually deal with when "he" comes back from his sudden trip away due to a family emergency. I think most of the others seem to either have him disappear, never to be seen again again or in a few cases, reappear claiming to be someone else.

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