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From: guest (Watcher)
, 101 months, post #1 |
Femininity in women is on the decline (at least here in the U.S.)
and it makes me sad.
What do you think?
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From: guest (wego)
, 101 months, post #2 |
No, it is just changing like it has for at least the last couple of
centuries. And the things that make women most special are not
changing at all.
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From: cj
, 101 months, post #3 |
I cannot say that I've noticed such a shift.
As for my thoughts on such a thing happening... well, my outdated
sense of social normality and comfort (hmmm, interesting. I'll have
to explore that further) would mourn the loss of women embracing,
or at least displaying some femininity. Sadness, indeed.
Part of me, however, is cheering women on. For they should be able
to shed their femininity if that is what they desire to do. No
person should be shoe-horned into conforming to the mold or role
that others dictate for them. Every person should be free to be who
they truly are and to engage in whatever endeavor for which they
are capable.
In other-words, while I enjoy the idea of being or being with a
feminine woman, I can respect and appreciate that she is her own
person, and thus has her own goals and pleasures in life, and
perhaps doesn't want to spend (or lose) her precious time, energy,
and effort in catering to the traditional feminine role.
As long as caring and nurturing and understanding and compassion
remain plentiful in human society and our own human nature (no
matter the gender), we should be okay.
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From: cj
, 101 months, post #4 |
"Every person should be free to be who they truly are and to engage
in whatever endeavor for which they are capable."
Okay, perhaps there should be more to that:
Every person should be free to be who they truly are and to engage
in whatever endeavor for which they are capable, as long as they
are respectful in, and responsible for their words, actions, and
inactions.
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From: guest (dolphin)
, 101 months, post #5 |
I'm sure they said the same thing when women started voting and
opening doors for themselves.
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From: Forestier
, 101 months, post #6 |
What do you mean by feminity
? I like women in jeans and t-shirt, wearing no make-up and with a
simple hair style. Why would women have to change their real
appearance to be seen as real women?
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From: guest (TG LOVER)
, 101 months, post #7 |
I wish there was a potion of pure femininity and I turn into a
woman in a slow time , you also want this ? :)
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From: guest (Wondering)
, 101 months, post #8 |
Forestier,
It is not clothes, make-up, etc that makes a woman feminine, though
depending on the woman it can enhance her femininity�..Just being a
woman does not make a woman feminine.
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From: guest (Watcher)
, 101 months, post #9 |
cj, would have to disagree, I see a decline.
And why is femininity a bad thing that a woman needs to shed that
you would be cheering them on?
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From: guest (Watcher)
, 101 months, post #10 |
It seems that a few of you view femininity as a negative
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From: guest
, 101 months, post #11 |
Women are dressing more androgynous and shifting demographics from
the Third World has more women dressing in Islamic dress, including
full burqa, which is very alarming to see for anyone who has
recently visited Europe. Feminists aren't helping their cause by
remaining silent, or worse, showing "solidarity" with these symbols
of oppression by donning the niqab. Guess feminists will be pushing
a bill through legislatures shortly that declares women's worth to
be only half that of a man in order to show support for their
Muslim compatriots.
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From: guest
, 101 months, post #12 |
I'd argue there wasn't really ever any such thing as femininity, or
masculinity for that matter. They are social constructs that
shoehorn humans into being stupid zombies that read the sun or the
daily mail and watch Fox or sky News.
It's all about brainwashing the masses.
If we take the female and male out of the terms it would be ok.
Some people like dolls and caring for people, others like hitting
things with a hammer and trying to rebuild them. Some people like
wearing a dress and others jeans. Some people like makeup and
tatoos and wearing Hewlett other prefer not to decorate themselves
like a Christmas tree.
Everyone are different, it isn't defined by their gender but by
their society, and society is stupid! More then half of people live
in a fantasy where they believe everything they see in papers, on
the news, on reality TV, what their dumb friends say or even what's
in soap operas and other obviously fictional shows.
What we really need is to teach all children from an early age that
there is no such thing as "normal" and that most people will lie to
them all their lives in order to make them slaves, be it to the
News international corporation or ISIS.
So no, Femininity in women isn't on the decline, it never existed
in the first place, women are just choosing to live their lives as
they please and not be brainwashed. It's about time men did the
same, maybe it would curve the huge rise in suiicide rates among
men aged 20 to 40.
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From: guest (Kathie)
, 101 months, post #13 |
Ever wonder if the social pressures to behave in a certain way and
dress a certain way based on what's between your legs is what
actually causes transvestites and transsexuals? I know I sure have
wondered that and I'm not so sure that it doesn't cause at least
some of the cases (though I'm sure there are lots of causes).
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From: guest (Armchair psychologist)
, 101 months, post #14 |
Its really easy to just pretend that all "pressures" for people to
act certain ways being caused by society, like a boogyman. Humans
are social creatures who've evolved to interect and change to fit
into groups for survival. You could say it is "human nature" to be
guided by social pressures. Its not a bad thing, its just that
really old part of your brain telling you to conform so you can
make babies and eat.
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From: guest
, 101 months, post #15 |
Maybe it's not about femininity but more about men's preference in
how women dress and act. Some men like women to dress girly and act
lady like while other men like the tomboy and sporty look. What's
wrong with that?
I personally like women that dress girly and act lady like but
that's just me. Different strokes for different folks.
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From: cj
, 101 months, post #16 |
Watcher - I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was only stating that I
had not noticed
a decline, so could neither confirm or deny your observation.
Now... please define "femininity" as you relate it to this post.
I'm not sure that we are thinking the same thing.
The concept of femininity that I was referring to in my posts, are
the characteristic traits that defined "the ideal woman" in western
society portrayed in the media while I was growing up and some of
what I observed from the girls and women in my own life during
those same formative years.
The manner of dress - the ladies could often choose clothing that
if not accentuating their female nature, would at least be
something that no boy or man would be allowed to wear in public.
They were soft-spoken, kind, and polite. They were caring and
motherly, and quick to comfort - empathic. They would carry
themselves with grace and poise, always seeming to know the proper
etiquette for the situation at hand. These are main characteristics
that defined a person who was female from one who was male.
I don't think that these are bad traits or characteristics to have,
as I still envy them. But for these things to be forced on someone
they don't properly fit, is a horrible thing. Especially n a world
where we've supposedly become more educated, understanding, and
tolerant. The world is constantly changing, as is our role in it.
We need to adapt in order to progress. That doesn't mean that we
should discard the good things... just that we shouldn't force them
upon people.
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From: guest
, 101 months, post #17 |
It isn't a bad thing, it is an animalistic thing.
If you feel humans are just animals then let them be animals, as
long as they don't have any power over me and keep out of my way.
If you feel humans are more evolved then that, which many are
(probably about 40%) then let's try and get the rest of humanity to
catch up.
Oddly this is where religion and science seem back to front.
Religion is happy for humans to be unevolved and stupid, reading
one book and doing as they are told as long as they have
unprotected sex, stick to gender "norms" and produce lots more
followers. Yet they think God wants this and we are in Gods
image... Surely God is extremely evolved?
Where Science wants the betterment of humanity and for us to
unshackle ourselves from ignorance and our animalistic nature and
pack mentality.
Ok many Scientists are also Religious, but surely a true religion
would tell people not to be brainwashed followers, but to be
scientists. Surely a true God is better then the best of humanity
an Engineer of the highest magnitude, not some angry caveman that
complains about the kids of today and how it was all better when
women did what they were told and there were no gay people.
It just amazes me how stupid "human nature" is... Well the 60% that
make up the ignorant majority.
Sorry a bit angry at the world today lol, here is to a more
enlightened tomorrow.
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From: cj
, 101 months, post #18 |
"I personally like women that dress girly and act lady like but
that's just me."
Me too. But I like her better if she's not always like that... and
even more, if she's honest and happy... if she allows herself to be
herself, and not pretending to be someone she's not.
I knew a woman once who hated wearing dresses. It disappointed me
that she didn't wear them at least once in awhile, she was very
beautiful, and she would have looked even more amazing. We
discussed the topic once in length, but then never again (it really
wasn't that important). It never changed our relationship - I liked
her the same whether she chose to embrace tradition feminine or
not. She was a real tomboy, but it didn't make her any less of a
woman. I never did get to see her in a dress, but she never denied
that option to her daughters. I miss her, she was taken too soon -
some around town may not agree me, but I thought she was a
class-act. She didn't let society tell her who she was / should be.
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From: guest
, 101 months, post #19 |
To all the guys that say they are okay being with women that never
wear dresses and skirts, you still okay with that on your wedding
day?
For me, I can admit that I am somewhat old fashioned when it comes
to gender roles. If that makes me a sexist barbarian then guilty as
charged. Women can dress however they want to dress and act however
they want to act. I wouldn't ever force a woman to act or dress a
certain way. With that being said, I prefer women that are lady
like and that dress girly. I think it might also because I have a
leg and feet fetish so of course I like it when women wear things
that show off their legs and feet.
I was born in the early 1980s so maybe I'm not PC.
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From: guest
, 101 months, post #20 |
Yes I'd love a woman to not confirm to wearing a wedding dress on
our wedding day.
It doesn't make you a barbarian, more of a caveman ;)
You were born in the early 80s for goodness sake you grew up with
the space age and the shuttle, you saw computers grow from nothing
to running the world, music go from records to the cloud.
You have no excuse at all for being a caveman, where you hiding
under a rock your whole life? If you were born in the 70s or
earlier or even in the 90s and later I would forgive you, but your
literally the pinnacle of human existence, you were born on the
cusp of the Information Age and so shouldn't be ignorant at all.
You should neither find the modern world scary or take it for
granted, so for being born in the early 80s I find your ignorance
inexcusable as 80s children are truly the most awesome of any
generation ;)
Please don't take it to heart, I'm mostly kidding, we all have
fetishes, be they women dressing up in dresses and forced to pluck
hairs and paint themselves up, or preferring cyborgs to humans,
it's all good :)
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