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From: guest (Captain Cylon) , 152 months, post #41

The Chalker book MEDUSA (vol. 4 of the Lords of the Diamond series) is seldom brought up by fans. Basically, there are microbes with a will on the planet Medusa, and they want a sexual balance of about 10 to 1 on the female side. It's by far the best book of the LOTD series, but not perfect.

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From: guest (Stu Stanley) , 152 months, post #42

DAW: Awesome! I was just wondering when you would finish the next story. I'll read it tomorrow when I've had more sleep.

Captain Cylon: I haven't read any of Chalker's books, but I do intend to read them eventually.

From: guest (carson) , 152 months, post #43

just like to add my recomendation and drop a note of thanks to the author aj james. I have enjoyed reading all of the authors stories, all of which have a strong plot and use a variety of the tf universes and devices. Would love to know what new stories the author has in progress

From: guest (Pygar) , 152 months, post #44

For a nice surprise, check out "The Red Tape War," written by several authors including Jack Chalker. Totally tongue-in-cheek sendup of some of their most cliche'd devices. Knocks down the fourth wall and has some real fun with it all. Warning: Lots of inside jokes so it's actually MORE fun if you've read plenty of other materials by the authors.
Now, CHALKER...
Is all over the place.
He was prolific and sometimes very imaginative but also fell into some rote formulas. Sometimes, he'd take a good idea and just beat it to death, then dig it up and beat it some more. And the PC political preaching! Oh spare me! That, more than anything, makes Chalker's work feel dated. Think late 1970s early 1980s touchy-feely silliness. Unfortunate.
If you can overlook some of that...
"Identity Matrix" was pretty good. Personal story, global conspiracy, aliens, the works. Grit your teeth through the preaching and it's all right. Fun twist ending.
"Downtiming the Night Side" was an anemic, again preachy, body-hopping time travel story that just seemed to lose its way.
"Midnight At The Well Of Souls" and its FIRST TWO sequels were great. Don't bother with the rest of the series.
"Four Lords of the Diamond" books were similar but decent. Fun variations between "magic" transformations, body-swapping, and cybernetic manipulations.
The "Soul Rider" books played around with lots of similar themes but went with a different and somewhat mysterious setting. Devolved into some preachy mush but still had good moments.
"River of the Dancing Gods" is a cute Chalker-ish takeoff of the classical medieval fantasy world. That one and its (again steadily deteriorating) sequels held up okay. Chalker tried to resurrect that world into a new cycle but never got beyond what would have been the first book before the publisher pulled the plug.
"Rings of the Master" No, not an LOTR ripoff... well maybe a little. Pretty good overall. Or maybe just enjoyed the artfully stolen "Les Miserables" device.
"Changewinds..." Meh. He'd definitely lost his fastball on this one. Seemed like a struggle even with a couple of new turns on mostly well-worn motifs and devices.
"Dancers in the Afterglow" One of his earlier ones. Interesting to see him explore themes that would become endlessly repeated later. Conquest and totalitarianism with transformation as a weapon, secret agents, perseverance after debilitating change, the hero squeezed between a changing mission and inflexible superiors. Only one book; not an endless series; so worth a look.
Do NOT bother with:
The Messiah Choice (Evil compuer vs. the world)
The G.O.D. Inc books. (Interdimensional conspiracy stuff)
The Quintara Marathon (Satan & demons are aliens)
The Wonderland Gambit books (weak Matrix ripoff)
War of Shadows (Okay conspiracy adventure but nobody changes into anything)

Chalker definitely made his contributions. I kept hoping he'd pull it together and put out something good again but he died before that happened.
His stuff (some of it) definitely goes on the list.

From: D.A.W. , 152 months, post #45

Thanks for the kind comment Stu! For whatever reason I don't seemed to have garnered very many reviews for this particular chapter in the Ragnarok Rising storyline.

From: Dale Ribbons , 152 months, post #46

To Pygar:

Some of the books you mention not liking, I liked rather well, but to each his/her own.

I am confused by your description of 'The Messiah Choice'. I thought the plot involved demons trying to usea computer to conquer the world. If it wasn't that book, what book was it?!?

And didn't 'The Wonderland Gambit' come out before 'The Matrix'? I believe Chalker said it was loosely based on Philip K. Dick. And speaking of 'The Matrix', it was a rip-off itself of 'The Invisibles' comic by Grant Morrison.

From: guest (Karma) , 152 months, post #47

I hope this thread isn't restricted to just professional publications, I'd recommend anything written by 'net writer Christopher Leeson. Almost every pro-written tg novel is flawed in some big way, even (or especially) Jack Chalker. To my taste, Leeson avoids most of their mistakes and is as good is as the best when tg is the subject. The funniest tg novel I've ever read is his THE BIG SWITCH,(a send-up of the detective genre), found at tgcomics.com, Big Closet, and Fictionmania.

Someone above praised "Joe Bates." Ehhh. It seemed to be a meadering book without a point. Maybe the author stopped at last because he finally realized he didn't have anything specific he wanted to say. Most readers caught on to that a lot quicker than he did. For anyone willing to tackle a tg saga as long or longer than Joe Bates, there is Leeson's (co-authored with Ellie Dauber) "Eerie, Arizona," a continuing saga of novels and novelettes set in the 1870's and is both a real Western and a multifaceted tg supernovel full of rich incidents and characters, drama and humor. Find it at FM and BC.

From: dis_guise , 152 months, post #48

Leeson is one of the better writers on FictionMania, certainly, and better than many published authors.

From: guest , 152 months, post #49

Speaking of quality TG, there's a new Morpheus story, it's set in the Legacy universe:

http://www.fictionmania.tv/stories/readtextstory.html?storyID=1318170437820959680

From: guest (Pygar) , 152 months, post #50

Dale,
Right on both counts. I got a little sloppy trying to be brief.
I mentioned "Matrix," (and refrained from mentioning "The 13th Floor") just because I was looking for something more instantly familiar.

From: D.A.W. , 151 months, post #51

Just like to pop in again and say that the revised version of my story "Transfigured" has been posted on Fictionmania BigCloset Topshelf, & Tgstorytime.

This version is, in my not so humble, opinion a massive improvement over the original.

From: guest (Stu Stanley) , 151 months, post #52

Thanks all you for recommendations.

DAW the revised version of transfigured was better than the first. I can't believe no one had posted a review on Fictionmania for it. It definitly deservers more attention than it has been given.

From: guest (Al) , 148 months, post #53

Thanks to D.A.W. and Saint for the recommendation of FOR A GIRL. Just finished it. Great story.

There are lots of Morpheus stories. Which couple should I read first?

From: guest (thesaint) , 148 months, post #54

I really liked Morpheus's One Strange Morning.

From: D.A.W. , 148 months, post #55

@Al: I would recommend starting with his Legacy Universe stories. Those stories among his best. And also "The Academy".

From: guest , 145 months, post #56

Message deleted by Eric. political & confusing rant

From: D.A.W. , 145 months, post #57

uh?

From: guest (rnrchrd62) , 141 months, post #58

I love this board. So many great titles are passed back and forth!

For my contributions I would have to say that Under The Moons of Eden are one of my personal favorite as well as The Initiation Game by Morpheus (yes another Morpheus title).

From: D.A.W. , 141 months, post #59

Y Me is another great Morpheus title.

From: guest (AoS) , 128 months, post #60

I've been here before but never really posted till now. I have recorded some of my favourites a few of which are already posted here.

The following can be found at Fictionmania.tv

Anything written by Morpheus
'Who's body is it anyway?' by Brandy Dewinter
'For a girl' by O2bxx
'The former boys club' by The Professor

The following can be found at Bigcloset.us/topshelf

'The Rusted Blade' by Kitn and Darkice
'No half measures' by Jenny Walker
'Catwalk Confidence' by Connie Alexander
'Sarah Carrera' by Megan Campbell
Check out the comic retcon universe by Lilith Langtree
Check out the DarkRealms universe by Enemyoffun

The following can be found at sapphireplace.com

'Of Masks and Marvels' by Bek D Corbin
'Hellcats' by Bek D Corbin
'Heaven and Hell:Joy to the world' by Bek D Corbin
'The Wild Flee' By Bek D Corbin

Also check out the Whately Academy universe
and the 'MORFS' universe by Britney Mcmaster. (just google them)

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