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From: guest (Anonymous)
, 155 months, post #1 |
How can you search the body of fictionmania stories. I've found how
to do this with most story sites by going to google and entering
part of the URL into a site: search with the text, but I can't do
that with fmstories.com... Is there another way or has anyone found
the secret?
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From: guest
, 155 months, post #2 |
That can't be done as far as I know. I believe it's deliberate that
you can't do it, because it would put too much strain on the site
and slow it down or make it stop working if a bunch of people were
trying to do that at once.
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From: guest (dkt)
, 155 months, post #3 |
It depends on what one wants to search for. Fictionmania has decent
inbuilt search features. You can do multisearches, too, by author,
theme, and other qualifiers.
http://www.fictionmania.tv/search/supersearch.html
By the way, another of the best FM authors, Christopher Leeson, has
a new story up, the first since last summer. "The Dark of the
Moon."
http://www.fictionmania.tv/stories/readtextstory.html?storyID=1309423134328578488
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From: kreplach
, 155 months, post #4 |
"Fictionmania has decent inbuilt search features."
No it does not (in my opinion as a web savvy user).
"You can do multisearches, too, by author, theme, and other
qualifiers."
No, you cannot. You can't search by author name and anything else.
On the "super search" you provide a URL for, the options are story
title, synopsis (huh?), file name (yeah, right) and some character
name options.
I have never understood why some people like to claim that site has
good search capabilities. It may
have been impressive in 1995, but with current technology it would
be so easy to have just one simple comprehensive search feature
that covers everything including, as the original poster asked, the
full text of all the stories. And yes, you could do that without it
being too taxing on the site (unless your hardware is also from
1995).
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From: Mr. Ram
, 155 months, post #5 |
The hardware is new, but the software is 1998 vintage. Talea has
been working on it part time for a while and has added some extra
features.
By the way, Kreplach, it has always been possible to search by
author's name, Have you ever actually looked at the search features
at Fictionmania?
Fictionmania is a volunteer run site, we all have real lives. We
are incrementally improving it, but it will never have a flashy,
all the bells and whistles, presentation. It is what it is, get
used to it.
Mr. Ram
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From: guest (Proton)
, 155 months, post #6 |
I second FM's search interface isn't the greatest but I can deal ;)
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From: kreplach
, 155 months, post #7 |
"Have you ever actually looked at the search features at
Fictionmania?"
Yes I have, Mr. Ram. I said you cannot search by author name and
any other criteria. Can you prove me wrong? If I missed it, it's
becaues there are 18,000 different search options and I get tired
after looking at the frist 6 or so.
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From: guest (maybe someone can help)
, 155 months, post #8 |
I literally found it impossible to search within a synopses, but at
the same time exclude certain categories. Could someone please tell
me if/how that could be done?
The problem is when I'm searching by synopses only and I get way,
way too many results to be able to find the story I was looking
for. And a huge amount of them are in categories that wouldn't
apply to the story I'm looking for. In that case I need to be able
cut out some categories that I don't need (like cross dressing) in
order to cut down the search results to a manageable number.
Can this be done or not?
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From: guest (Brayn)
, 155 months, post #9 |
There is a heap on writing.com as interactive stories.I've
favourited just under 2 dozen that are pretty good and full of
content. But this stuff is very rare still.
Other places to look would be... in particular, the Automorph
storyline on BEaddventure
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From: Mr. Ram
, 155 months, post #10 |
Kerplach, Here ya go!
http://www.fictionmania.tv/search/authorshort.html
It's been there since 1998!
Mr. Ram
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From: kreplach
, 155 months, post #11 |
That is still
not what I said. Author name AND other criteria. At the same time.
If I know the author's name but they have dozens or hundreds of
stories and I can't quite remember the name of the one I'm looking
for, or I want to use a keyword, I'm SOL. I can scroll through the
author's stories 25 at a time (I think it used to be only 12 or
something and it's not configurable), but that's my only option.
If that works well enough for you, fine. I'm just saying that it
could be much better.
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From: Mr. Ram
, 155 months, post #12 |
The authors choose the key words and categories, you'd think that
authors would pick as many categories that apply, but they don't
always do that.
We don't read the stories before they're posted, with the volume of
stories we get, that would be impossible.
Complain to the authors, when they screw up, that is what the
review function is for.
Mr. Ram
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From: kreplach
, 155 months, post #13 |
I don't honestly care that much, but I'm still not sure you're
understanding for whatever reason. It doesn't matter what keywords
an author assigns to their story if I can't search by author name
and keyword simultaneously through the search interface. I can see
the keywords as I look at the stories on pages of 25 at a time if I
feel like continuing to manually scan them but it seems like it
shouldn't be necessary, what with technology and all.
At this point I guess we agree to disagree.
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From: guest (oldtimecollector)
, 155 months, post #14 |
What I have never understood - is why Fictionmania prevents Google
from crawling the site. (I assume there is a cookie on the server
asking it not to ?).
Maybe, it's a privacy thing - but MANY other TG fiction sites are
crawled and indexed by Google. No need then for any search program.
Just use Google Advanced Search - enter any phrase or combination
to search for - and limit your search only to pages from this site.
Why reinvent the wheel?
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From: Chalkerfan
, 155 months, post #15 |
"What I have never understood - is why Fictionmania prevents Google
from crawling the site. (I assume there is a cookie on the server
asking it not to ?)."
This is one area where I am in total agreement with Fictionmania.
Google gives me the creeps.
Any sane person would be a bit concerned if Google was able to
conduct a successful search of FM's story database.
That would mean they could probably/perhaps/theoretically use the
data they were able to extract from the site to build a profile of
you and sell that profile on to interested parties.
If FM wants to keep Google at bay I can't think of any rational
objection.
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From: guest (oldtimecollector)
, 155 months, post #16 |
Chalkerfan said : -
"That would mean they could probably/perhaps/theoretically use the
data they were able to extract from the site to build a profile of
you and sell that profile on to interested parties."
NO - that's not possible at all. I was talking about a search
engine "crawler" - listing and indexing story pages. That has
nothing at all to do with user or personal information of any sort.
There are so many misconceptions about data and information
technology - and the media love to create hysteria. (remember y2k)
If someone had a basic understanding of computers - they would not
have security concerns about public indexing of pages.
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From: guest (oldtimecollector)
, 155 months, post #17 |
. . . for example - "Cystal's Story Site is fully indexed by Google
and you can run almost any type of query that you want.
Try this - Type --
"my new body" site:storysite.org
--- into Google and it will show you all of the stories with the
phrase "my new body" in them.
You will also find that TFCC - (the TG captions and stories search
engine) - uses Google and google indexed pages very effectively.
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From: Mr. Ram
, 155 months, post #18 |
The reason we block Google is because of the vintage, custom
software that the site is built on.. Google crashes it, it runs
just great without web-crawlers, Sooo, no web-crawlers, easy peasy!
Mr. Ram
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From: guest (oldtimecollector)
, 155 months, post #19 |
I figured that there was a reason for it.
Makes sense - and as I said . . . I always wondered why. Now I
know.
Thanks
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From: guest (geeze)
, 140 months, post #20 |
Your "vintage" software does not run 'great' if the site has a
large archive of stories visitors can't browse effectively. Just
use any other system at all and let google search your site. A
story archive without search is a waste of harddrive space.
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