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From: Holly Dunn
, 121 months, post #61 |
@guest Post #60
Hard to explain the broadcast standards of Catholic Church of Chile
for what appears to be the nation's largest network. Seems the
Church owns several networks there, perhaps because they were the
only ones with enough money to build them circa 1959. And if they
were too strict about everything, they wouldn't have much to air.
During Lola's run there were several articles about how the plot
was changed from the original due to Church influence. Lola ran
2007-2008, and the church sold a majority interest of the network
in 2010.
Wiki
Until 2010 (Canal 13) was wholly owned by the Catholic University
of Chile, by holding Companies UC . Then the Luksic Group purchased
67%. 33% of Canal 13 is still held by the Pontificia Universidad
Cat�lica de Chile.
From:
News Article
"The soap opera was no stranger to controversy during its extended
run. Catholic Church leaders urged the series� network, Universidad
Cat�lica�s Canal 13, to exercise restraint in relation to the
show�s content, with one bishop criticizing �Lola� advertisements
featuring a pregnant man."
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From: Holly Dunn
, 121 months, post #62 |
Oh here is the Lola pregnant image of Lalo, played by Jorge
Alberti:
No idea why some sexual situations are ok, the transformation is
ok, but the character development isn't. Also not sure why the
objecting Bishops had some changes made, but this went out over
their objections.
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From: guest (Robbie)
, 121 months, post #63 |
Holly Dunn- Do you think this is why it is so hard to find any
material of the Chile version online? They don't want to show it
due to not agreeing with the content they allowed on the air in the
first place. What I find odd is this was the longest running
telenovela ever in Chile. You would think there would be a market
to sell the dvds to the public.
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From: Holly Dunn
, 121 months, post #64 |
Haven't read anything specifically about canal 13 trying to keep
material off the web, but different entities have opposite views of
what is good publicity. Some see old series on Youtube with their
company logo imprinted in the bottom corner as a plus. They see it
as potentially bringing new eyeballs to look at their channel,
website, and other material. Others see it as a threat and actively
report and block Youtube and other sites from hosting their
materials. There is a cost involved to host all the videos
otherwise, and the ad revenue for the reruns probably isn't a hot
seller. So possibly it is too expensive for them to host and they
are a company that sees an old series on Youtube as a glass half
empty scenario (if someone isn't gonna pay for it again and again,
no one is ever gonna see it!). Just a guess though. Somehow I doubt
keeping it off the Net is morality based, and eventually if they
find a revenue stream for it (like they believe dvd release or pay
sites through iTunes or something would be profitable), they would
do it. Maybe you can try to contact them and suggest that they put
it up on a pay service.
Is that a long-winded enough answer for ya? Kinda convoluted but
hope it made some sense.
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From: guest
, 121 months, post #65 |
As stated before canal 13 has a new cable channel REC TV that will
rerun old shows and hopefully bring this series back into
tv/youtube.
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From: guest
, 121 months, post #66 |
I don't see how it was controversial to have a man that was
transformed into a woman wear a dress to a wedding. You can't find
that episode on youtube. One of the few moments in which the Lalo
character wears a dress or skirt. I actually think he never wore a
skirt on the series. Only wore a dress maybe a handful of times. He
did wear tight dress pants with revealing tops and heels.
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From: guest
, 121 months, post #67 |
I doubt any controversy from the church was involved in him not
wearing "female clothes". I think it was just cause story wise it
didn't make sense since this lalo never gave up on his manhood.
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From: Holly Dunn
, 121 months, post #68 |
Having his soul gradually change from man to woman was a problem
for the Church. Also, if he thinks of himself as a man and likes
men, there are homosexual implications. I don't think wearing
female clothes was an objection. Bishops objected to the entire
series, and the script changes were made as a compromise. Not sure
why this was the line.
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From: guest
, 121 months, post #69 |
Diego kissed "lola" more than once, They were dreams sequences and
it was always Diego initiating the kiss but still.
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From: guest
, 121 months, post #70 |
When Lalo was in the swimming pool in the tight black 1 piece
swimsuit, was that a dream sequence or did he actually kiss Diego
that time?
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From: guest
, 121 months, post #71 |
He really was in the pool in the bathing suit but he daydreamed
kissing Diego.
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From: guest
, 121 months, post #72 |
If he was deeply in love with Grace then why daydream about kissing
Diego?
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From: guest
, 120 months, post #73 |
That was before he allowed himself to admit he loved her. It was an
early episode where he just changed and was confused about
everything. He wondered if he should just accept the change and
live as a woman.
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From: guest
, 120 months, post #74 |
He looked great in that swimsuit. Thought it was hilarious when
Grace teased him about it and asked Diego to put sun tan lotion on
his legs and Diego tried to put the lotion on his butt cheeks.
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From: Holly Dunn
, 120 months, post #75 |
I vaguely remember one day dream where the guy tried to kiss her,
but then she woke up immediately upon that. What I remember was
more like an anxiety nightmare than a daydream fantasy. Does anyone
have links to short clips on these episodes? Or know the episode #s
or other ways bot in violation of Metemorphose rules to find these
clips? (Short clip links are allowed, I believe).
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From: guest
, 120 months, post #76 |
I think he actually like the daydream when he was in the pool in
the tight black one piece swimsuit kissing Diego.
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From: guest
, 120 months, post #77 |
He didn't like it. In that scene he daydreams the kiss Grace
notices lalo looking at Diego and thinking. Grace asks lalo, "Why
do you keep looking over there, what are you thinking?" lalo says
"Don't you think I should give up on ever getting my body back?"
I've tried everything and i'm still in this body. lalo also says he
doesn't want to be 70 years old and see how his life went by and
passed him. Grace says what are you gonna do, Fall in love with
Diego and have kids? That's impossible you don't like men and i'm
gonna prove it. That's when Grace asks Diego to put sun tan lotion
on lalo. lalo acts like he doesn't care but then freaks out because
Diego is touching him.
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From: Holly Dunn
, 120 months, post #78 |
Guest #76, I think that was the Spanish version you are referring
to:
Search Youtube for this "LaLola 1x039 Lola y Sergio quedan
atrapados en un ascensor" at about 14:10. I would like to see the
Chile version sequences again, if anyone knows where they are.
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From: guest
, 120 months, post #79 |
lola chile early episodes aren't online. I've looked and looked
lol.
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From: Holly Dunn
, 120 months, post #80 |
I found a few at www.tutv.tv
search for Lola - Lalo & Grace - Eres and a clip will come up. Some
other similar episodes come up as suggestions and you can search
form there.
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