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From: guest (Bud)
, 93 months, post #1 |
Always wondered why. I mean Steve was a macho sexist womanizer and
manly man. Why on Earth would he dress so provocatively and sexy
instantly after becoming a woman? To show off his new "female
goods"? Because he secretly like the attention?
You can see evidence of it when he wears the pink dress at the bar
to meet Walter. He definitely liked how all the men checked him out
yet he got furious with a male coworker that tried flirt with him.
Super confusing.
Steve as Amanda also never wears pants at work. It's either a skirt
or dress outfit and heels and sometimes pantyhose. Even when he
tries to be manly in his female body and gets the short haircut, he
still wear a short low cut tight dress that shows off his butt and
cleavage.
How many men would adapt so quickly to female attire in their new
female bodies? Why would they adapt? Why would they resist? How
long would it take them to adapt to the attire?
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From: guest (Saint)
, 93 months, post #2 |
Two reasons:
1) it was a Blake Edwards comedy. The outfits only served two
purposes. They added to the physical comedy (walking in heels /
forgetting to cross legs) and they showed off Ellen Barkins body
for sex appeal. This was an early 90s movie with a director from
the 60s. Even movies that were pro women still sexualized their
leading ladies. See Working Girl, Romancing the Stone, and Just One
of the Guys.
2) Steve didn't know anything about fashion so he just went with
Margos guidance
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From: guest (Saint)
, 93 months, post #3 |
It's really not meant to be logical. I still don't get how it's
rated R and there's no nudity. It's also a very mean spirited
movie. At least with Cleo/Leo Leo was a misogynst but he was still
a good business man and he took care of his kid. There is nothing
about Steve that shows him to be a good friend. They don't even
introduce Walter until after the transformation. I'm actually
surprised this never got a more thoughtful remake. Even Ebert said
the premise had more potential to explore social gender dynamics. I
mean, the date rape subplot that leads to a pregnancy still baffles
me.
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From: cj
, 93 months, post #4 |
"Why would they adapt?"
-- Necessity. You do what you have to do to survive. If the only
way for you to "survive" means that you must look the part in the
eyes of your employer and coworkers, clients and the rest of the
world... then you figure it out and do what you must.
"Why would they resist?"
-- Most of us are creatures of habit. Lots of people are
comfortable with who and how they see themselves, and have figured
out a way to make it through life day by day. If it is something
that we're used to, and moreso something that we find comforting or
enjoyable, we're probably going to want to keep doing that same
thing / those same things.
"How long would it take them to adapt to the attire?"
-- Depends on the individual, the degree of change, the length of
their exposure to being attired in the new way, etc.
For me, I'd fathom a guess that I wouldn't need to wear business
formal or society formal -wear too often - so heels, tight skirts
suits, and low-cut strapless evening gowns would likely fall into
the "probably never" camp, whereas leggings / tights, bra and
panties, and having the buttons on the other side would probably
become "normal" within a reasonably short time. I'm not really sure
how long it would take for me to get used to so much exposed skin
and/or tight clothing that really leaves nothing to the imagination
as to what my body looks like underneath... to being so on-display
/ eye candy -- that is a mental hurdle that might take some time to
accept.
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From: Air Gear
, 93 months, post #5 |
On this point, from the point of view of 'realism', the Portuguese
Lalola (Ele e Ela) is about the only one to get this right for the
best part in terms of what to wear to work were you to find
yourself in this predicament (a few minus points for footwear as
there was room for improvement but otherwise, everything chosen
made the most sense).
The other was probably the Eva Adams Lalola pilot for the US which
probably did even better as they didn't even go through all the
wrong choices before getting to the best one and I think better
shoes too for the first day back at work under changed
circumstances.
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From: guest (KJ)
, 93 months, post #6 |
There is a difference between slutty and sexy.
It was a movie, and a bad one at that
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From: guest (anono)
, 93 months, post #7 |
@KJ
really bad : (
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From: Air Gear
, 93 months, post #8 |
Is this the wrong time to admit I saw it twice at the cinema in
successive weekends along with Soapdish each time?
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From: cj
, 93 months, post #9 |
Nope. Just because a movie was bad in one or more aspects or
overall, doesn't mean that everyone dislikes it, or that nobody
will find some redeeming quality. :-)
I didn't like it as a movie... but I still found it fun /
fascinating to watch, discuss, and think about.
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From: Air Gear
, 93 months, post #10 |
I think it got rather badly hacked up after test screenings too and
not for the better.
One thing I found fascinating was that the 3 women who had Steve
murdered didn't make the logical leap that a) God and Heaven exists
b) ergo Satan c) They're in a *lot* of trouble one day.
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From: guest (Bud)
, 93 months, post #11 |
There were a few episodes where the woman in Ele E Ela wore heels.
Add the tight dress pants that showed off her butt and that's girly
attire.
I've never understood the uneasiness and prudish behavior of men
turned into women when they are in their new female bodies. Their
new female bodies aren't really "their bodies" so why are they so
uppity about women's clothes and skirts, bras, thongs, dresses, and
heels? No one knows that they're really men underneath.
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From: cj
, 93 months, post #12 |
"... never understood the uneasiness and prudish behavior of men
turned into women when they are in their new female bodies. Their
new female bodies aren't really "their bodies" so why are they so
uppity about women's clothes and skirts, bras, thongs, dresses, and
heels? No one knows that they're really men underneath."
The transformees not knowing that their current female body isn't
now permanently theirs is a fairly large assumption... unless they
were aware of and somewhat knowledgeable about mechanism that
caused the swap. I sure wouldn't assume that the swap is
reversible. And even if it was - just out of respect, I would try
not to embarrass or otherwise harm the original owner's reputation
/ social standing... in other words, I'd likely err on the
conservative side.
Even if you discard those two things, I'm not comfortable in tight
clothing... or showing off my body - I see no reason that I would
suddenly be immediately / instantly comfortable doing that very
thing if I was suddenly in a "new" body. Perhaps given some time,
or in an attempt to "keeping up appearances"... but it would be a
foreign, and likely (at first) unwelcome experience for me.
Heels would be scary and dangerous to me -- if unless I was able to
quickly (almost naturally) take to working with them, I'd try to
avoid them if at all possible. For practicality... and safety.
Though, I do admit, the underpinnings... well, those aren't visible
to the general public - so I'm more than willing to bet that given
the opportunity, I'd explore a bit in the enjoyment of sexy
underthings.
So, for me, the only place where anyone else's opinion or thoughts
(other than the body's rightful / former owner) even matter, would
be in pushing to be MORE revealing, dressing in a more feminine,
seductive, or sexy way.
:-)
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From: Air Gear
, 93 months, post #13 |
My point was that for his very first day back at work, Julio
(Julieta) in Ele e Ela wore clothes that were much more practical
that all the other Lalolas except the US pilot, footwear excluded
(that he was stumbling over and could have been avoided). Everyone
made it needlessly complicated but those two the least amount
(usual exception for Chile because I can't find to confirm/deny).
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From: Holly Dunn
, 93 months, post #14 |
Switch was produced 25 years ago in the USA. The stigma about
transgender stuff back, and attitudes about what was normal back
then was way different. Also Steve worked in a conservative office
environment. He wore what he thought would fit in. Switch was
intended for a mainstream audience, and would reflect mainstream
attitudes, not accuracy.
Switch reflects the attitudes and feelings of the time. Try
watching 1950's westerns and other shows. I watched an episode of
Shena: Queen of the Jungle produce in the 1957, about 30 years
before Switch. Even though she was the title character, she was
constantly getting captured and rescued by men. She never did
anything for herself. It reflected the times and attitude towards
what women were capable of. But was it accurate?
So I wouldn't get too hung up on the faulty actions of what Steve
did in an early 1990's movie. Hopefully we will make some strides
in the next 25 years.
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From: guest (Bud)
, 93 months, post #15 |
I'm not hung up on it. Just confused and maybe conflicted. A macho
man dressing provocatively in a female body just doesn't sit right
in my mind. I would think there would be some resistance. But then
again I guess Steve was going with the flow and trying to play the
part.
I just wonder what would the consensus be on attire and fashion
from males that were turned into gorgeous females. How many would
go straight o heels and cute dresses and skirts? How many would
stick to dress shoes/sneakers and dress pants or even jeans? How
many men would wear feminine lingerie as women?
I kinda like it when a male character struggles with the female
attire. It's actually sort of sexy and hot. I loved it when it
happened in the kdrama Come Back Mister. I cracked up when Hong Nan
dug her panties and pantyhose out of her butt while she was
walking.
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From: JayGee
, 93 months, post #16 |
The thing it, it was a poorly made movie. It's plot had holes and
internal contradictions. The way she dressed was just a small part
of the problem. Ellen Barken didn't seem to act at all the way
Steve did. She talked in a way that she apparently thought a
typical macho male chauvinist would talk, but she sounded
completely different than the guy playing Steve.
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From: guest (the hein)
, 92 months, post #17 |
Makes sense to me that the sexual attire is a form of "empowerment"
- easy realization for a misogynist magically becoming gorgeous
female. Also this brings inappropriate advances and disrespect -
which the character Steve humorously acts contempt all too familiar
with misogynist deviant behavior.
Consider also with the admiration for the fairer gender, I suppose
the embodiment of sexualizing the feminine experience - there was
always a means whether it was a corporate play or retribution. The
idea was Steve was a sociopath looking for redemption.
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From: guest (charliesorrell)
, 92 months, post #18 |
i hated that movie.much preferred goodbye charlie,ellen barkin
looked smokin hot when they cut her hair and put her in a micro
mini dress though.
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From: guest (Bud)
, 92 months, post #19 |
It's weird how he hated the long hair but was completely okay
wearing that tight mini dress to the bar.
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From: guest
, 92 months, post #20 |
Trying to "fall in love" to break the curse I thought
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