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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #41 |
Sorry for the typos. I'm on my phone usually when I post. Also
"guest" the hadron collider does more than just smash sub atomic
particles together. It literally can create and open black holes.
From the alberino analysis: it has been suggested that by colliding
heavier subatomic particles together such and lead ions. Which CERN
is currently doing, space and time could be distorted creating what
Einstein called a Rosen bridge or a stargate, which is basically a
wormhole between two different locations, dimensions or periods of
time. It has also been suggested that distortion a in the
space-time continuum could lead to what has been called the
Groundhog Day effect in which time falls back on itself allowing
manipulation of the past
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #42 |
I'm sorry but you can try all you want to brush this off as false
memories but I know my memory isn't flawed nor is countless other
who know beyond a shadow of a doubt that these things have been
altered. To try and sit there and say what I specifically remember
is inaccurate is ridiculous. I spend most of my childhood watching
berenstein bears and reading the books. It may be just one letter
but I know for a fact it was with an E and not A. If I wasn't sure
I wouldn't be here posting otherwise. So I've already ruled out the
false memory theory. A d I sure as hell know I'm not delusional or
crazy and I don't do drugs. So unless you have and more valid
explanation there really isn't any need to discuss this with you
further
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From: cj
, 100 months, post #43 |
"I know my memory isn't flawed"
Unless your brain, and that of every other human who discounts the
imperfection and fallibility of the human mind and memory, is able
to PERFECTLY RECORD AND RECALL EVERY LITTLE DETAIL WITH 100%
ACCURACY (for the entirety of your life), then your claim holds no
merit. Even those with eidetic memory are not able to do so...
though their recall is much more accurate than normal.
I can tell you with certainty... or more accurately, my friends can
tell us both, that the way I remember certain events from the past
are not entirely accurate with what they recall. So either they
shifted between universes, I shifted between universes, or human
memory itself isn't perfect.
While I certainly am not going to discount the Mandela Effect as a
possibility... perhaps even plausible, having an open mind would
suggest that you should also entertain the notion that the theory
is incorrect... at least in its current form.
I'm betting the effect is closer kin to mass-hysteria, than to
parallel universes -- it's the more plausible reason, IMO.
That said. The brightest minds of their time once thought that the
Earth was flat, and that it was at the center of the universe.
Thankfully, men (and women) with crazy ideas challenged the
accepted, and figured out how to prove things out.
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From: cj
, 100 months, post #44 |
"I'm not delusional or crazy and I don't do drugs. So unless you
have and more valid explanation there really isn't any need to
discuss this with you further"
I don't think anyone was calling you delusional or crazy... just
human.
And how much more valid of an explanation are you looking for on
the imperfection of the human memory? Scientific papers? I'm sure
someone will link those for you shortly.
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From: cj
, 100 months, post #45 |
Here's an article to start: http://www.bps.org.uk/news/memory-not-reliable-we-think
Then there are the results of a Google Scholarly Article Search for
"accuracy of human memory"
-- I couldn't tell you where to start in that pile though - I've
not the time to delve into it.
Of course, you could also probably check out the references of this
wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_memory
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #46 |
As I stated before I'm not going to entertain the possibility of
this just being a case of flawed memory. I know the human brain is
not infallible. This is well beyond that. And I know for
A lot of people such as yourself, you want to just come up with the
most rational explanation for it so you suggest the flawed memory
theory. This phenomena just simply doesn't fall into that category.
If it was more isolated and it only happened to 1 or 2 people sure.
But the sheer number of people involved alone proves otherwise. And
the fact that its something in popular culture that we have ALL
been part if witnessing as well proves its not a case of false
memory. As I stated the odds of that are beyond astronomical. Now
the only thing left to do is try to understand what caused it and
hope next time it happens that it isn't more severe. This is not
something not be taken lightly. In fact it scares me how so many
people just brush it off. Esspecially the ones who believe its
true. I only posted this here because I figured it may be of
interest to some people in this community. It's interesting to
think of the possibilities I'm that aspect but scary to think of
the other implications it could have.
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From: guest (A Wet Blanket)
, 100 months, post #47 |
Actually, the odds are very high that a bunch of people will
misremember something in the same way if there's some specific,
common factor that leads people to remember it in that way. Like a
similar name that's spelled in a different way, or a commercial
where a movie quote is different than in the movie itself, or pop
culture depictions that distort how we think about a particular
person or topic. I've given a number of examples of factors that
would lead large numbers of people to misremember something in the
same way.
And in many cases, people AREN'T misremembering things in the same
way. Some people think there are 51 states in the United States,
and others think there are 52. People remember New Zealand being in
at least three completely different locations. People remember the
Challenger exploding in 1983, 1984, and 1985. If the Mandela effect
were a consequence of reality being altered, people's "false"
memories would presumably match.
I don't understand why Jason is SO resistant to the idea that his
memory is imperfect. He seems to think it's a laughable idea, but
it's not. It's basic psychology. Anyone who's ever lost their keys
or failed a pop quiz knows that memory is fallible. I understand
not wanting to be wrong, but believers in the Mandela effect have
gone to SUCH incredible lengths to prove they're right.
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #48 |
Okay here's a fact for you. If all these people including myself
misremembered berenstain being spelled different then there would
be many variations of the name instead of just the one everybody
remembers. Nobody came out and said oh "I remember it to be
Bernstein or berensteine etc. this clearly implies that there are 2
seperate timelines/realities. by the way I never my memory of
anyone else's memory is perfect an incapable is making mistakes as
far as recollecting past events. I already stated my how I feel on
the subject yet the both of you keep on insisting I believe and see
it the way you do. That's not going to happen. I can assure you of
that. So lets just agree to disagree and leave it at that
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From: guest (anon)
, 100 months, post #49 |
Guys, Jason's writing shows a LOT of signs of someone suffering
from serious mental illness (my guess is schizophrenia. Definitely
not someone to argue or debate with. Jason, I don't want this to be
insulting, but you might want to talk to some of the people in your
own life about this to see if they believe you may want to look
into getting some help. I think you're a smart guy, but every
person can't be right about everything they believe. It's not bad
if you end up having to challenge some of your beliefs and ideas
about the world, just growth.
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From: guest (anon)
, 100 months, post #50 |
Quick follow-up to my previous post. Again, I cannot diagnose any
illness over the internet, so I strongly suggest bringing this up
to loved ones in your real life to judge their opinions. Now, here
is an example of a piece of writing by a schizophrenic. It is very
reminiscent of Jason's writing.The author of the Craigslist post in
this story was arrested a few months later for aggressively
stalking multiple celebrities as a result of his mental illness.
http://gawker.com/read-this-craigslist-ad-to-get-what-its-like-to-talk-to-1705607900
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #51 |
You're a funny guy anon. To Make such a statement towards someone
online who you know nothing about. I think you might want to look
up the definition of schizophrenia. I'm very much mentally stable
in every regard. If I wasn't I wouldn't have the status I do with
my friends, associates and clients I work for. Nor would I be
making 90k+ a year. You're just another one of those people who
have zero respect for other people's beliefs so you'll toss insults
at them in an attempt to make yourself look high and mighty never
realizing how bad you make yourself look in the process. Kind of
like an atheist who argues with a person of faith. Eh. Maybe one
day you'll mature out of that
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #52 |
Hey cj, The post anon made is clearly an attack on me and abuse
toward other users. Wouldn't you say?
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From: cj
, 100 months, post #53 |
anon's not saying you have
(or suffer from) a mental illness, he is simply stating that his perception of your posts
are similar to those that would be posted by someone who does (in
his opinion / experience anyhow).
We also are always concerned about the health of those in this
community when we feel that it may be warranted. Of course, we
aren't (well most of us aren't) mental-health professionals... nor
could we diagnosis correctly with the limited information and
contact we have here.
That said... I'm NOT in agreement that your posts indicated any
mental issues. You may be focused on this particular effect to the
extent that you aren't willing to keep an open-mind -- but that's my perception of your view
on this particular item... and it certainly does not make you any
more or any less normal.
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #54 |
I of all people have been keeping an open mind. Some other people
here simply don't want to am aknoledge other possibilities such as
parallel worlds or time lines simply because its too fantastical or
complicated for their intellect. Go look up up how Einstein was
ostracized and labeled crazy when he came up with the theory of
relativity. Not saying I'm a genius or better than anyone but my
comprehension and understanding of things is much higher than the
average person. And as you clearly stated, nobody here is qualified
to determine my sanity. Nor have I given any reason to cause anyone
to question it. The real problem here is a lack of respect by some
people for other people's beliefs and opinions. Someone doesn't
agree with what another person has to say and when they realize
that person isn't just going to give in and change their mind or
beliefs they automatically attack that person. I'm sorry but people
like that are the ones who have true mental illnesses
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From: cj
, 100 months, post #55 |
"... I'm sorry but people like that are the ones who have true
mental illnesses"
I wouldn't go so far as to consider someone who is unwilling to
being open-minded as having a mental illness. Such a thing is
probably more rare than you think. But I get what you're trying to
say.
Now... if we can move on from pondering the mental faculties of
others, and back to the discussion of the Mandela Effect and it's
relationship to the TF community...
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From: guest (That Guy)
, 100 months, post #56 |
Jason, it's just hard to take you seriously when in one post you
say "As I stated before I'm not going to entertain the possibility
of this just being a case of flawed memory." and then say "I of all
people have been keeping an open mind."
Pick one and stick to it.
Personally, I would absolutely love to see evidence of some sort of
multiverse and the transition from one to another other than the
flawed memories that every human on the planet has.
Until then, I remain skeptically yours, That Guy.
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From: JayGee
, 100 months, post #57 |
I thought I remembered Billy Graham dying. Then I remember him
dying again years later and thinking that I had thought he was
already dead. According to Wikipedia, he's still alive. Or alive
again? or......
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #58 |
I didn't say not being open minded is a mental illness cj. I said
not respecting someone else's opinions and or beliefs is. So much
to the point that a person will try to discredit a other person for
not conforming to their views, opinions etc.
But getting back to the Mandela effect I previously pointed out
things in popular culture. Other things include geographic
locations being completely different. Like the position of
Australia which is no longer an isolated land mass in the Pacific
Ocean. It's further to the north west. Also South America has
shifted way into the Atlantic Ocean toward the east. There are
other differences but those stand out most. Go look at a map of the
earth and tell me it looks right to you.
Also I heard of the billy graham death also but I haven't
researched it yet
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From: guest (anon)
, 100 months, post #59 |
The internet has allowed people who are part of small sub-cultures
or who have ideas far from the margins of mainstream thought to
connect. Before the internet, these people would have never heard
of each other. When they go out and see that a small amount of
other people had a similar idea, it suddenly feels like validation.
People find that at least 1 other person agrees with them, or has
the same very, very unique idea (like this Mandela effect notion),
and take that as proof that it's real. How could two people think
this same crazy thing?
This allows them to form an echo chamber, validating each other in
isolated communities, and ignoring the outside world as people who
just 'don't get it.'
It's powerful to be able to connect with like-minded people you
wouldn't be able to meet otherwise. Look at this forum as an
example of positive connection. But for those with mental illness
it can act as a dangerous catalyst taking them further and further
away from society. When mental illness acts in a way that separates
someone from our naturally evolved social, group protection
instincts, that's when they can become a danger to themselves and
others and should seek help.
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From: guest (Dolphin)
, 100 months, post #60 |
It's funny how all these supposed instances of the "Mandela effect"
involve celebrities with common names spelled unusually, and never
the other way around.
Notice that nobody's swearing that they're from a reality where
it's spelled "Broose Springstain". It's always "no, that was always
spelled normally".
I actually remember picking up a Berenstain Bears book when I was 6
and arguing with a teacher about the spelling, that I specifically
remembered it being "-stein". I argued that the book with "-stain"
must have been a typo or a ripoff, like a Rolex/Folex situation.
Reasons why you think it was spelled Berenstein:
Everyone always pronounced it "Be-ren-STEEN"
It's very rare for someone's last name to end with "-stain" but
highly popular to end with "-stein".
The last name was rarely found within the story texts.
The title is in cursive. You had a harder time reading it as a
child, as well as spotting typos and irregular spellings.
You had also identified it as a Berenst#in Bears book from the
general shape of the word and most of the letters* as well as the
friggin' bears on the cover illustration.
You were also much more interested in reading the other half of the
title ("...and the ____") and looking at the picture.
All of these are much more acceptable explanations than the idea
that you switched universes into one that's exactly the same,
except that a stupid children's book series is spelled differently.
That would be the lamest dimension hop in the multiverse.
It also may not be possible, due to the Butterfly Effect, that no
bigger and more remarkable changes would be noticed.
You could have wound up in the reality where Michael Jackson was
successful in purchasing Marvel in the early 90's and starred in
his own self-produced Spider-Man movie. That's a thing-- it ALMOST
happened in this timeline. That's the alternate universe *I* want
to visit.
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