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From: guest
, 80 months, post #61 |
You do not get to keep your orientation after swap...
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From: Holly Dunn
, 80 months, post #62 |
Most research today asserts that gender brain differences including
orientation and gender identity comes from area in the brain. It's
theorized that the amount of testosterone vs. estrogen that the
brain gets at key stages in development (the womb, infantile
puberty, and regular puberty) affects this.
This scientific research is one reason why LGBT people are a
protected class regarding discrimination and that being LGBTQ is
not a moral or religious failing.
Dr. Luanne Brizandine has a couple of good books called "The Female
Brain" and "The Male Brain" that talk about this and show the
science behind the theories.
Most of my fiction assumes that the character gets a brain typical
of their sex when they transform, but their "values" tell them they
shouldn't behaving these feelings. That is the principle conflict.
A story is a story though, and there are some plausible scenarios
where orientation may not switch, but I would assert that if your
memories were put into a different brain you would have the
orientation of that brain.
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From: guest (Passing through)
, 80 months, post #63 |
What Holly said. Certainly, there's a lot of social aspects but at
the end of the day, gender identity and sexuality is something that
I think most of us feel isn't really a choice. Absent a belief in a
gendered soul, that pretty much points to brain structure being a
major determinate.
What does that mean for stories? Eh, it's fiction, do what you
like, particularly if it's fantasy. But if we were to postulate a
SF "brain tape" transfer, the overwritten memories and personality
will find itself dealing with not just hormones, but a completely
different brain structure, one that will strongly influence
sexuality, and probably identity
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From: guest
, 80 months, post #64 |
I don't know this community is so obsessed with keeping
heteronormative orthodoxy.
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From: guest (Also Interested)
, 80 months, post #65 |
Every now and then this topic comes up. I wonder, would anyone
think that their attraction to TG stuff was a conscious decision?
For me, it was certainly interesting when I found it out myself and
still think it's weird, but I've accepted it as a part of me. So,
along this route, if you were to swap with someone else, we know
there are some things physically you couldn't change...like an
allergy to something, or our new taste buds preferring one thing
after another. Would a sexual preference be that much different?
Our physical bodies will probably already respond to certain
stimuli, though it'd be your mind that would decide how open or
averse you'd be. I assume, like many of us, fought with our TG
attractions, but eventually gave in to some degree. In a swap, I
believe it'd be similarly hard to resist until eventually, either
curiosity or openness, will allow ourselves to try it out.
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From: guest
, 80 months, post #66 |
Does anyone actually have any stories to contribute?
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From: Mr. Ram
, 80 months, post #67 |
post #64, Why do you say that?
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From: guest (I am 64)
, 80 months, post #68 |
It's obvious isn't it? People will come with all kind of excuse
about why a person after being turned into another gender will
change their sexual orientation instead of exploring the less
explored route that is not conforming to the dominant
heteronormative storytelling that is aplenty in media.
I am actually very tired of all this.
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From: guest (Fed Up)
, 80 months, post #69 |
Well then bye bye.
Authors write what is interesting to them. There are plenty of
stories where someone changed into the opposite gender, keeps their
sexual orientation. If you refuse to find them, well that is on
you.
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From: guest (Passing Through)
, 80 months, post #70 |
I dunno. I see plenty of stories with MtF who remain sexually
attracted to women. Sometimes it's presented with a moderate level
of realism, more often it seems like typical straight male
fetishization of lesbians.
I think a character having to deal with orientation change is
dramatically interesting, more so than just dealing with the
physical aspects of a change. "OMG, I have to sit to pee" gets old,
dealing with seeing the world through a different lens affords more
narrative possibilities
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From: guest (I am post 64 and 68)
, 80 months, post #71 |
yeah there are some stories but these are heavily outnumbered at
least 5 to 1 by stories where the protagonists change their
orientation as easy as changing clothes.
@Fed Up
I never say anything about writers of stories. I was discussing
about participants of this thread who came up with all kind of
excuses about why certain kind of story direction is preferable to
another. By your own standard, they are the ones who actually
infringe on the writers' freedom to write. Why don't you target
them since they are the one questioning writers' decision & label
judgement on certain story direction as more logical than other?
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From: guest (MasterW)
, 23 months, post #72 |
@Holly Dunn,
So if the persons who undergo bodyswap take after the orientation
of their new body, then what happened to a person who is
transformed (not bodyswapped) into opposite sex? Do you think they
would keep their original sexual orientation? If not, why?
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From: Holly Dunn
, 23 months, post #73 |
@MasterW post #72
Science has shown that certain areas of the brain in gay and trans
people can resemble the opposite gender. It is not exact, because
not all gay people are trans, and some trans prefer their original
sex partners. So i guess if someone is transformed, it depends on
how much their brain changes during the transformation process.
Scientists say that the brain structure changes at several life
changes including the womb, infantile puberty, and puberty, based
on how much testostorone is produced in the body. It is still not
an exact science.
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From: guest
, 23 months, post #74 |
You can justify it either way most times.
For example, if the swap is done via magic, it is almost a
certainty that souls and likely some kind of afterlife exists as
well since those are nearly guaranteed to exist in a setting with
magic. The existence of a soul would add a new factor that is
supernatural to the mix thus giving the story leverage to ignore
things like brain sexual preference.
If the swap is science fiction, I would point out that memories
themselves are part of the brain. If you're swapping bodies into a
new brain, you're literally altering the brains of the people
involved. This is entirely up to the author if that includes sexual
preferences.
If the story is a straight up brain and/or head transplant, well
then you get into trans issues. Hormones affect trans people in so
many ways that an author can pick and choose if and how preference
is affected.
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