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From: guest
, 114 months, post #1 |
It's been revealed the Ultraverse (Marvel purchased Malibu comics
some time ago) will be part of the marvel Secret Wars event next
year.
Could Mantra be set to fight Spiderman and others in the upcoming
event.
Best share a link... Umm
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57121
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From: guest (Icolanagain)
, 114 months, post #2 |
When Marvel took over Malibu they took out the TG. Mantra is a girl
named Lauren now.
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From: Random
, 114 months, post #3 |
Also, that article doesn't say that they'll be using those
realities in Secret Wars. It is saying that those realities exist
and should be considered. Also, I think there's some rights issues
involved that prevents the Ultraverse characters from being used at
all, which is why they haven't appeared since the initial
crossovers back when Marvel originally acquired them.
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From: guest
, 114 months, post #4 |
Wow didn't know that, that's depressing
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From: guest
, 114 months, post #5 |
The only "rights issues" is that they have to pay some royalties to
the creators. They're just that cheap.
The only reason they bought Malibu was because they wanted their
color process. Marvel then mismanaged and ultimately defecated on
the Ultraverse line before killing it.
But that was a long time ago. It might happen.
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From: guest (Aladdin)
, 114 months, post #6 |
There's a lot of myth about the end of the Ultraverse, and why
Marvel bought it in the first place. When I was writing Mantra fan
fiction (they're at Fictionmania) I'd go back to it in a snap if I
had the time), I interviewed by net or phone several people from
the old Malibu, including Mantra's editor and writer. I got a lot
of insights about Mantra and her backstory, but I asked many
questions about the Marvel deal and the end of the Ultraverse, too.
Myth 1. Marvel bought Malibu for the presses. Never happened.
insisted on was that Malibu make more money. Malibu built its
business plan during the superheated period of the learly 90's when
comic titles were selling a 100,000 each. That was just a bubble
and when the sales dropped for all the companies by about 75%, even
Marvel started a slide to bankruptcy and Malibu couldn't cope.
Malibu put itself on sale and Marvel bought in, wanting to show the
stockholders that they were growing the business. They never wanted
the color presses of Malibu. They never used the color presses even
when they had them. They were getting cheap press work in Ireland
and stayed with Ireland. Where did the press story come from? It
was the sort of disinformation that lots of companies tend put out
to conceal the facts of their confidential dealings.
Myth 2. Marvel pulled the plug on Mantra. False again. It was the
top management of Malibu, held over from their independent days,
that wanted to completely reorganize the Ultraverse into a
money-making enterprise. Thinking they were geniuses, they
concocted the Black September fiasco and did not consult, or ask
from input, from the writers of its super-great titles. The company
brass talked only to each other and gave arbitray orders, killing
some titles and dictating the form that surviving titles would
take. Even though Mantra was one of their contining most successful
comics, the management was always very squeemish about offering a
tg hero. When they reorganized, they were quick to make tg a
scapegoat and ordered the comic to continue with a 100% female
Mantra. Although the whole Black September nonsense was blamed by
fan press on Marvel, it was done by the same suits who had always
been running Malibu. All Marvel was demanding was to stop losing
money, but the suits had all the wrong ideas about how to do that.
The then top CEO of Marvel, a man who had pressed for the purchase,
was eager to have Malibu thrive. Marvel sent no storyline orders
nor sent any boss to dictate storylines to Malibu. That CEO (his
name is in my notes) was removed and a new man, one who wanted to
make the actions of his predessor the scapegoat for Marvel's
trouble, ordered Malibu personnel fired and brought in new people
to reorganize it with resources to put out very few titles.
But I learned from on of these people what their story really was
and I was pleased to learn that they had their heads and heart in
the right place. They, too, thought Black September was a mistake
and they wanted to start rebuilding the Ultraverse based on its
early days. But they were down to just 2 or 3 comics by then and
didn't have much to work with. Then the new Marvel management,
facing even worse times at home, decided to totally put an end to
the Malibu label.
There is a rights conflict that keeps the UV out of print. False.
The rights to the Malibu characters belonged fully to the company,
and all rights are Marvel's now. But there is a small royalty for
the use of each character. These could have been renegotiated, but
Marvel was in no mood to give an inch, or pay a penney. There had
always been an animosity in Marvel aimed at Malibu; the "talent"
there resented Malibu as an interloper to the corporation. They
thought of themselves as the kings of Comic Land and everyone had
to be rolled over, by means fair or foul. In this case, the means
were foul.
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From: rugal
, 114 months, post #7 |
I'm guessing the CEOs you're thinking of are Ron Perelman (whose
company bought Marvel in, I believe, 1989) and Ike Perlmutter
(whose company, ToyBiz, bought it in 1997 because of the bankruptcy
which was when Marvel killed Malibu). Perlmutter's notoriously
cheap, there's stories out there about the way he's run Marvel
right down to making people re-use paperclips from the trash
because he doesn't want to spend money on buying new ones, so if
Malibu's never coming back because he doesn't want to take the
extra money to pay royalties I'm not surprised.
Steve Engelhart's the one who's said the royalties are why the
Ultraverse stuff won't come back but Brevoort's denied that and
said the real reason is something he can't reveal because of NDAs
(personally I'm inclined to believe Engelhart).
>When Marvel took over Malibu they took out the TG. Mantra is a
girl named Lauren now.
The comic landscape, and society's views in general, have changed a
lot in the two decades since Mantra vol. 2. Marvel especially is a
lot more diversity-minded (some times to a detriment I think where
it can feel forced but whatever). If they ever brought back the
Ultraverse characters I have no doubts that they'd roll Mantra back
to being a transgender heroine because that's great PR and will
undoubtedly create buzz much like the current female Thor or muslim
Ms. Marvel.
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From: guest (Zeven)
, 114 months, post #8 |
I looked at the video but couldn't pick out anything that I
recognized from the Ultraverse. But the opening still shows in the
background a heroine who could only be the original Lukasz Mantra.
Well, I left Marvel behind about the time they killed Malibu, but
if they feature Ultraverse characters in some of the stories, and I
like what they do with them, I can see myself buying those issues.
If a little use of the Ultraverse in Secret Wars primes the pump
for future appearances in the books, well and good. But these
miniseries featuring mobs of heroes, not giving much time to any
one, are not a good way to present heroes from any universe.
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From: guest (caleb jones)
, 114 months, post #9 |
the original Lukasz Mantra appeared in the 2nd mantra lauren's
series as an on and off advisor, he/she didn't die, so easily could
come back. They fired the malibu creators when they relaunched
them, and Marvel was in total control, not any malibu staffers.
(some might have been kept on.
I suspect the coloring system (not presses, but computer coloring)
really was what was wanted because Marvel could not have done more
to kill the malibu revamps than the odd changes (lauren) and poorly
written stories that followed,the marvel takeover. Marvel had a ton
of comics being published and tried to kill any other comics by
flooding the market back then. What better way than to buy what
they liked - coloring programming - and ruining the unwanted comics
for quick cancellation. Even now they (Marvel) are cancelling
Fantastic four in april 2015 so they will give no support to the
movie in the following months and are making no movie FF toys
either.
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From: guest (caleb jones)
, 114 months, post #10 |
and marvel comics were printed in canada not ireland. Shipping
across ocean would consume time and money.
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From: guest (Comic book guy)
, 114 months, post #11 |
When it comes to fantastic four, who can blame marvel. Have you
heard the interviews with actors involved about doom etc and read
the leaked script? It could be the worse film ever made, it sounds
like Catwoman did when that was in production.
Also the toys wouldn't match what is in the comics so would solely
be advertising for fox and I'm pretty sure Fox get a large chunk of
the revenue from toy sales, marvel just controls if the stuff gets
made or not (that is for toys that look like the film variants not
the toys made to look like the original versions).
But this is about Mantra, who I doubt they will bring back, unless
it's to kill off the Ultraverse completely along with all their
unwanted worlds. If this is a case I can see them destroying the
xmen film universe (marvel used to make tie in comics for foxs xmen
universe back before Disney purchased Marvel) as well as all the
many other universses and what if worlds created over the years. If
the threat is big enough then these universes will be cannon
fodder.
So I'm doubtful Mantra will even get any lines if she does show up
and will just be killed by whatever the big bad is not year
(probably Ultron as I have little faith in new charecters being
created for big events)
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From: guest (Aladdin)
, 114 months, post #12 |
I hope that things won't be as bad as you suggest, Comic Book Guy,
but I am worried that this was the case, too. DC did that very
thing back in the 80's, when they eliminated many of their best
alternate worlds. Considering the animosity that Malibu employees
sensed from the Marvel staff, there may be some die-hards still
there, pulling the strings, who, like Empress Agrippina, cannot be
happy just sending an enemy to a miserable rock of a prison, she
has to send a headsman later on. It may be time for Malibu's
headman. Does anyone think that the Marvel hardcore would not like
to stick it to Malibu fans one last time, after keeping them
waiting for the return of the Ultraverse for 15 years? What do they
care for such people; they read Malibu because they couldn't stand
Marvel and all its works, after all.
Addressing Calbeb Jones, I rechecked my report of Marvel getting
color separation in Ireland and I found that I seem to be wrongly
remembering that my Malibu interviews had been the source of that
information. I must have found that tidbit on some net posting
board, or some fan article. Fan news/gossip is usually unreliable.
Just remember that the color separation story is fan news/gossip,
too, and no one need believe it. Here are the quoted words of
Malibu editor Roland Mann on the subject of color separation,
speaking for the record:
ROLAND MANN: "A lot of people say the purchase was for equipment
only. I can assure you, that is the MOST BS I have EVER heard! It
used to make me laugh, but I've heard it so much it ain't funny
now. If all Marvel wanted was equipment (and/or the coloring dept),
they could have gone to computer city and hired colorists (even
those AWAY from Malibu‑‑lord knows, IMAGE did) for less than a
tenth of the reported purchase price. What Marvel wanted was
intellectual property‑‑something they could sell rights to: toys,
animation (UltraForce had both), lunchboxes, McMeals, etc. Their
OWN properties have been merchandised to pieces. You can't do a
"first" Hulk movie, but you can a first PRIME movie."
If such an insider, a man who worked closely with the people who
sold Malibu to Marvel (and honestly admitted to me that he had told
M. Barr to drop Lukasz on their bidding), can't put the "color
separation" myth to rest, nothing can. I can only wonder why fans
cling to it, since it never made any sense in the first place, and
no knowledgible source ever cited it. What makes sense is that
Malibu was a masterpiece of comic imagination, the best thing that
was being done in those days. But the Marvel people who had plans
for Malibu merchandising were soon ousted from power (due to the
comic book market crash, an event for which they were made fall
guys), and their successors put the Malibu universe in the lock
box. What was the use of merchandising characters that they had
themselves banished to oblivion, especially if the creators were
owed royalties? (I think this was more inter-company hostility than
a true policy, a mere excuse, not a valid reason. Marvel paid
royalties for Conan, Red Sonja, Anita Blake, and others. Marvel
made a pretty profit off those licensed characters, and could have
done the same with the Ultraverse characters.) I had hoped that the
sale to Disney would lead to the firing of the Marvel old guard.
Any hundred people picked out of the phone book could probably
manage creative properties better. Maybe that was too much to hope
for, considering what Disney has become.
How different things might have worked out if Malibu would have
sold to DC, as originally planned, instead of being seduced by
Marvel promises, which were torn up as soon as they had their hooks
in the company.
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From: guest (DeathToMarvel)
, 111 months, post #13 |
Actually, marvel bought Malibu because DC was going to buy it. At
the time, Malibu still held about 12-13% of the comic sales, and
marvel was afraid that if DC bought Malibu, it would make Marvel
the second-largest comic company in the world. The sales of the
Ultraverse titles was high enough that it would have put DC/Malibu
at a higher sales per cent than Marvel, and Marvel couldn't have
that happen. Whether marvel really tried to make the Ultraverse
work or not, I do not know, but in the case of the sale, Marvel
purchased Malibu out form under DC at the last minute so that
Marvel would not slide to the second-largest comic company in the
world.
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