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From: rugal
, 122 months, post #1 |
This is the absolute most ridiculous garbage I've ever seen. For
those who don't know, on 3/31 users who tried to view stories
(interactive chapters at the very least) were greeted by a message
telling them to support the site by turning off their adblocker.
The chapter would then be hidden and you'd have to click it to make
it show up.
Obviously this makes browsing interactives now a pain if you, like
any sensible person, use something like Adblock Plus.
People were not happy about this at all. In the technical support
forum people expressed their displeasure. One of the people that
seems to run the site, The StoryMaster, said that the interactives
put a large strain and that the ad revenue is their main source of
income. I can understand that but the fact is that going to
Writing.com without an adblocker means you're swamped in ads; and
not benign ads either. Obnoxious ads that are loud and flashy,
pornographic ads, malicious ads that try to infect your computer
with malware. The same type of ads that cause people to use an
adblocker in the first place.
People pointed this out. StoryMaster's response was basically to
call people who browse the site with an adblocker (you know, to
protect their computer) "moochers". People continued pointing out
that they're not doing it to mooch, they're doing it for safety
reasons. He started deleting messages. He started calling people
who use adblockers "immoral".
I posted a message saying that it's ridiculous to call people
"immoral" for trying to protect their computers. And this might've
been a little dickish but I then asked the question, if he thinks
that blocking ads on the site is "immoral" and "mooching", does he
record TV shows on a DVR but skip through the commercials? With
that my message was deleted but there was a response of his below
mine stating that in January of last year they removed the ability
of free accounts to create interactives but kept accounts from
before that date grandfathered in, but now thanks to "rudeness" and
"abuse" from people with free accounts that grandfather clause has
been removed; if you have a free account you can no longer create
interactives.
He then not-so-subtly implied in another thread that the next step,
if people didn't shut up, was to get rid of interactives
completely.
So tl;dr: Writing.com gives you annoying messages if you have an
adblocker making it harder to browse interactives. People voice
their displeasure, they're told "tough shit" (more or less) and
called "moochers" and "immoral". People point out the reason they
use adblock is to make sure they don't see obnoxious and
pornographic ads and, more importantly, malicious ads. The staff
doubles down eventually removing the ability to create interactives
without a paid account and then not-so-subtly implying that
continuing to "provoke" would mean getting rid of interactives
completely.
It sucks. I like reading stuff on there by certain authors and I
especially enjoy collaborating with Seuzz and imaj on The Book of
Masks. It's a shame that it looks like the site is going to go down
in flames though because it's run by morons melting down at the
fact people don't want their computers infected.
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From: guest (Brayn)
, 122 months, post #2 |
WRiting.com has always been a trainwreck, my advice is to find your
favourite interactives and just make a local backup now before he
starts going stupid and completely killing the site (God knows it's
happened to other sites before).
There are other interactive sites around there with better run
admins and fewer/no ads.
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From: guest (Brayn)
, 122 months, post #3 |
In fact, after reason what I just saw in the technical forums by
StoryMaster, I would recommend backing up interactives ASAP whether
you like them or not, looks like the guy may be taking down every
interactive that's, well, "niche" or fetish in short order since he
reckons that the people using ad blockers are people who like that
stuff.
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From: guest
, 122 months, post #4 |
After taking a look at the tech support forum, I get the impression
they're doing this deliberately and being as annoying as possible
to get rid of the interactives, I'd also suggest backing everything
up before those idiots do away with the only part of their site
that gets any traffic.
I'd also like to add that I'm a huge fan of The Book of Masks and
its spinoff The Wandering Stars and I'd like to thank you guys for
creating such an awesome universe, if the worse comes to pass I
really really hope you guys don't get discouraged and continue with
the stories elsewhere.
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From: rugal
, 122 months, post #5 |
@Brayn: What other sites are there? I know I've seen other
interactive sites before but I never bothered with them so what
they were has slipped my mind. The main reason I like/liked
Writing.com was due to the relative ease of navigation. I say
relative because it wasn't perfect but from what I remember other
sites were a nightmare to navigate or find anything.
@guest: Thank Seuzz for that mostly. Other writers (myself, imaj,
Collider, Wordsmitty, etc.) have all done great work but the BoM
was his idea and he's generally done a lot of work in trying to
maintain a coherent or mostly coherent universe. I like to think
that there's a certain quality too that intimidated writers which
might seem like a bad thing but at the same time I think it ensured
there was a certain standard people figured they were expected to
meet which has stopped it from falling into the rot of low quality
"writers" that plague a lot of other interactives.
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From: guest
, 122 months, post #6 |
I know Seuzz created it, but you and the other writers'
collaborations are appreciated nonetheless (I'm really enjoying the
storyline you're currently doing with Will/Sienna helping to track
down his former comrades). I agree about the quality but I don't
think it's a bad thing, because tbh most of the stuff in
writing.com is garbage, that's why I was so utterly baffled at how
such an amazing universe could exist in writing.com of all places
when I randomly stumbled upon BoM last year.
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From: guest
, 122 months, post #7 |
Any advice on how to make backups of stories? Some of those stories
have thousands of chapters, and given the branching nature of the
stories, it's going to be a nightmare to back them up.
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From: guest (Ashu)
, 122 months, post #8 |
i have had mixed results whle backing up writing.com stories while
i used linux and wget as the tool but if enough of communty wants
it then i can maybe reasearch some more make it work somehow and
post a guide for both windows and linux
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From: guest
, 122 months, post #9 |
BoM is my favorite story on the internet and quite possibly of all
time. If it disappears I can't even describe how bummed out I'd be.
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From: M2FB
, 122 months, post #10 |
And now my interactive story, Orange Blend (a One Piece fan fic
about Luffy melting on to Nami while they sleep and fusing together
somehow) has been deleted. Awesome.
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From: guest (wassel29)
, 122 months, post #11 |
This whole thing really sucks I have to say. Though I don't
actually have any interactives "published" so to speak, I do have a
few for my eyes only that I use to back up my chapters (after a lot
of them got deleted). And now it seems I'm gonna have to backup my
backups offline. Which I imagine is gonna take a hell of a long
time.
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From: guest (Common Sense)
, 122 months, post #12 |
"StoryMaster, said that the interactives put a large strain and
that the ad revenue is their main source of income. I can
understand that but the fact is that going to Writing.com without
an adblocker means you're swamped in ads; and not benign ads
either."
This is the most ignorant complaining I've seen and you clearly
don't understand it. If you don't like it then continue to use
ad-blocker or take your business elsewhere or start of your own
interactive story site.
I like browsing writing.com as much as the next person but they
have to make money somehow and if everyone is going to block their
ad's then they can't provide you with the service that you want
because they won't be able to pay to keep their servers running.
You can't have your cake and eat it to and since the only person
who knows exactly what strain the stories put on the servers is
StoryMaster we have to take his word for it.
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From: guest (SegataSaturn)
, 122 months, post #13 |
@Common Sense
Still, it's unfair that he'd just remove all the interactives in an
attempt to get people to stop doing this. This guy is a Nazi, and
I'm not going to support his insane attitude by turning ad-block
off. He should've made a deal with ad companies that aren't viral
or pornographic, then maybe I'd care what he had to say. If money
is such a problem, he should just remove free accounts altogether
and make it a pay only site. However, he can't do that.
If he did, than people would hate him more and leave the sites in
droves. He's trying to ease us into it, by taking the interactives
away and trying to make us feel like trash for not wanting to get
viruses on our computer. I totally get why you may agree with the
admin, but most of us don't. Honestly, this kind of tomfoolery is
what made me leave Writing.com and move to DeviantArt in the first
place.
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From: guest (Me)
, 122 months, post #14 |
Message deleted by cj. personal attack |
From: guest (R Mika)
, 122 months, post #15 |
Message deleted by cj. personal attack |
From: guest (tsn)
, 122 months, post #16 |
Out of the interactive sites, Writing.com was my favourite. :(
Oh well, some of the stories were ridiculous anyway, with random
sex scenes and people hijacking stories.
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From: guest (SegataSaturn)
, 122 months, post #17 |
@tsn
Tell me about, my friend had to shut down several of his
interactives because people kept adding sex scenes to them or
continued to break his pre-set rules. If Writing.com does get rid
of their interactives, then they will lose a lot of viewers in the
long run. If they took out interactives, than all they'd have left
would be stories and poems.
You can get stories and poems anywhere, so there wouldn't be a big
reason to use the site anymore. People would just go elsewhere or
start their own sites, so there would be no point in going to that
garbage website anymore. I kind of wish there was someone with
common sense on that staff, someone who would slap away SM's hands
when he moved them to press the "Kill Everything People Want"
button.
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From: guest (Bobbert)
, 122 months, post #18 |
And now I can't even access the Interactives anymore. I don't even
have an adblocker, WTF?
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From: guest (StoryMaster)
, 122 months, post #19 |
I was sent a link to this thread from my personal forum, and I
don't appreciate the amount of flack this decision is getting. I
don't understand what kind of kinky fetish site this is supposed to
be, but let me make one thing clear: I'm removing the interactives
for a reason. I'm not trying to be an outright monster, I'm trying
to police things on my site.
What is a business if it can't sustain itself? Ads help my site
survive, and it pays me and my employees. Interactives are popular,
but I feel that I should restrict them for the time being. If
ad-blocking dies down, than I might remove some of my more harsher
regulations. Until then, you're all going to have to deal with it.
This is a business, not a place where I have to cater to everyone
24-7.
I tolerate your kinks and fetishes out of good will, if need be I
could ban such stories from ever appearing on my site. That's not
what I want to do, but I'd prefer if you just leave things be.
Again, I am not a villain. If anything, I'm trying to help this
site survive so we can continue to bring people content. Ad-blocker
is a detriment to my business, and I'd prefer if people stopped
using it. Now, I kind request the admins of whatever site this is
supposed to be to close this thread immediately.
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From: Mr. Ram
, 122 months, post #20 |
Ad-blocking programs are here to stay. It seems that you have an
unsustainable business model.
Mr. Ram
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