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Sam (2013) possible update?
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From: guest (aronimink) , 123 months, post #221
Regarding the alpha male to lady transition, I had a real life experience with something similar. From age 18 to 28 I dated, off & on, a terrific girl who was a super tomboy when she was 14 & under.

ALL of her friends were boys. All of her friends called her by her last name, never her girly first name. She played sports with boys and almost always beat them. She wore her hair short & hated girly stuff. She NEVER played with dolls.

When she was 15 she changed dramatically. Almost like someone waved a magic wand over her. Kind of like the SAM movie. She still loved playing sports - she won the award for outstanding girl athlete in our 3,000 student high school -- and she was an excellent athlete in college. BUT... she suddenly developed a strong urge to grow her hair long, wear skirts, dresses and makeup, act like a lady, and all of the rest of it.

She insisted everyone refer to her by her first name. Regarding romantic/bedroom stuff, she was the girliest girl on the planet. By far. All of the guys were crazy about her. She had gorgeous legs and as ZZ Top said, she knew how to use them. But even in her late 20's, whenever we played tennis, basketball or simply tossed a football around, she remained a hardcore jock.

I always found that fascinating. She grew into a beautiful and feminine young woman, but on the athletic field, the boy in her always remained. I fell in love with someone else & so did she, but that part of her character always utterly intrigued me. I think that is part of the reason SAM interests me so much.

From: guest (aronimink) , 123 months, post #222
Forgot to mention - the girl I spoke of, in post #221, told me several times: "I used to wish that I was a guy, but now I wouldn't give up being a girl for anything." The quote is exact.

It seems to me that SAM is going for that exactly that same conclusion. That is what intrigues me. How does an incredible journey like that occur? How does someone go from being strong and masculine to being beautiful, weak and feminine and to PREFERRING that radical transition?

What is the character development arc that takes place? Its like a journey of a million miles. It is my hope that SAM addresses that arc head-on.

From: guest (thesaint) , 123 months, post #223
Wow. Thank you for sharing that story aronimink.

I can relate a little to having a girl / friend who was just one of the guys. We called her by her last name too. I always thought she was cute but she never really came out of her shell. After a while she did ask that we stop calling her by her last name. Another friend of mine is very tom boyish, with a smart mouth and prefers hanging out with the guys but when she dresses up . . . wow . . . she is incredibly beautiful.

I completely agree with everything in your second paragraph except I'd use the word vulnerable rather than weak. I know what you're mean but I feel vulnerable can imply both emotional as well as physical and it's not necessarily a negative. I'm curious to see Doc protect Samantha and how that affects their relationship and how it adds to her journey.

And I agree with you when you say "How does that story happen"? I'm really hoping this movie is as good as I'm hoping. Every twitter/facebook/instagram page I've found the cast and crew repeat the same thing: "this is such a great script." It also makes me happy that Natalie Knepp wrote how much she liked working with her romantic lead. Good chemistry is essential and if they became friends it'll translate to the screen.

They are almost done with shooting and then we'll have to wait a couple of weeks before Nick Brook's interview. I really hope he'll have some clips to share and or maybe a trailer / website / facebook page will be available.

From: guest (thesaint) , 123 months, post #224
That's a wrap!

Looks like principle photograph is done.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=413391382127962

From: guest , 123 months, post #225
I wasn't trying to start an argument with anyone on Samantha's wardrobe. I just posed the question as to whether if it's sexist for a woman to be expected to dress feminine and girly. I mean Samantha could wear tight dress pants suits with heels and still look just as girly and feminine as if she was wearing a short tight dress with heels.

From: guest (thesaint) , 123 months, post #226
No worries. I think there's some sensitivity because this thread had a troll.

Here's my theory. I was watching Brooklyn Nine-Nine (hilarious) when I noticed that Melissa Fumero (the girl on the left)

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2430904064/tt2467372?ref_=ttmd_md_nxt

. . . had the exact same outfit as Samantha in the pic with the Victor Colicchio and Nick Brooks. It's a pants suit and her hair is completely unstyled.

Samantha works for a modeling agency and there is a scene in the script where Morgan Fairchild's character says "that girl needs a makeover. She won't make a good impression on [the partners. I agree that Samantha could look beautiful in her plain blouse and suit but it's not unrealistic that for the work environment Sam works in compared to a Police Station she would need to dress up more.

Also, for the purpose of a comedy it makes sense to put Sam in a dress for 2 reasons: one its funny to see the character uncompfortable in such a wardrobe and two it visually represents the evolution of the character.

I think they initially show Samantha in a dress but then later, she herself, starts to style her hair different and begins to accessorize her wardrobe. That's another evolution of the character.

From: guest (aronimink) , 123 months, post #227
Thanks thesaint for the "that's a wrap!" notice. I liked that group photo and Natalie Knepp's comment. It seems like there was a lot of genuine good feeling on that movie. Here's hoping that it bodes very well for the finished product.

Regarding the term "weak" vs. "vulnerable" yes, you are right thesaint, the girl I was speaking of was NOT weak, in terms of character. She had a will of iron. By "weak" I was referring to her relative loss of strength. She grew to her full height in elementary school (5' 6") and in 5th grade was taller & stronger than any boy in her class. But by age 18 she was shorter, smaller & weaker than virtually all of her former male classmates. Her younger brother, who she could once defeat easily in wrestling, could pin her in about 10 seconds at age 18.

So, in that respect she had become weaker (in relation to her peers). There was a small part of her that always seemed embarrassed and amused by that, but for the most she gloried in her newfound power. The girliness & femininity she grew into at age 15-16 gave her power over men that was far greater than her previous physical strength. And, regardless of her power over men, she really came to enjoy being a girl, just for her own pleasure. I think many girls make a similar transition as they grow up.

Which was one of the things about her that I always found fascinating. That is something I am hoping SAM addresses head-on. How do you make that incredible transition? To go from wanting to boy at age 12, to relishing being a girl at age 16? I kinda/sorta can imagine the change in her thought process, but I want to see SAM's explanation of that phenomenon.

From: guest , 123 months, post #228
I just hope there is a scene in the movie maybe like in Dating in the Enemy where Samantha is getting dressed and puts on a pair of black pantyhose and struggles a little with it but eventually gets it.

From: Tuggy24g , 123 months, post #229
Well there will be a scene were she struggle with high heels (I am can not wait for that). So there will be at least that. Maybe a pantyhose scene but I would not count on it.

From: guest (thesaint) , 123 months, post #230
I think we are all on the same page here with regard to our hopes for SAM. I love that scene in Dating the Enemy with the pantyhose (also that little moment when he reaches for his back pocket and realizes his wallet must now go in a handbag). I'm also curious if Sam makes multiple trips to the shoe store or if they show his apartment changing over time to reflect his physical and mental changes.

My biggest worry/fear/disappointment is that the movie won't take the time to show the little things that we fans love so much. I feel like I'll probably have to prepare for the possibility that it'll be like Switch and just gloss over everything. There will be no scenes showing him getting dressed, there will be no shopping montage, we won't see her getting ready in the morning, applying makeup, struggling with a bra, resigning to sitting down on a toilet or having to wait in line at the bathroom, dealing with her first period, getting her ears pierced or being too short to reach something high, or trying to lift something heavy etc.

I really worry about the possibility that all of this will won't be acknowledged at all. However, they did cast the role of a Pedicurist and Samantha's nails are painted by the end. And there is a scene (which I've never seen in a TG film) where she's lost an earring.

It's two weeks away from Nick Brooks interview. I really hope he reaffirms our hopes. I hope there's at least a clip and I hope it's not too much longer before there's a website and/or a trailer.

Having followed the development (or lack-there-of) of Werewoman the last year I am extremely grateful for all the instagram, facebook and twitter updates on SAM. The movie I've been waiting to hear about the last 4 years has been shot! It's halfway to being finished! Now all they need to do is edit it and score it.

Except for Paradox Alice, is this really the first American, full length feature, MtF transformation film since Switch? That's 23 years

From: guest (thesaint) , 123 months, post #231
Oh, and let me just say - Dating the Enemy scene or not - I'm just glad that Samantha at least wears pantyhose/nylons in this film. It seems even Kate Middleton can't bring that fashion trend back and it breaks my heart.

From: guest (aronimink) , 123 months, post #232
There are several reasons to hope for a gradual evolution of Samantha's character, and for not glossing over the little things:

(1) Its an indie production, and hopefully will be more thoughtful and not go for cliched stuff as big studios tend to do.
(2) I think someone, probably thesaint, said SAM's script is really long. Therefore there should be plenty of time to develop the little stuff (struggling with dressing, checking her new appearance in the mirror, realizing how short and weak she has become, struggling with her new status in the world, etc.). The football scene, where she falls and realizes she can't play nearly as well as she used to, is a logical place to develop this theme.
(3) Natalie Knepp, at least in her photos, has a sweet ladylike character. She's not just a hot shallow bimbo, as Ellen Barkin was in Switch. So maybe the director wants to really develop the character.

Whatever the case, I think we'll know within the first 15-25 minutes of Samantha's appearance. TG films always seem to show very quickly whether they will gloss over the transformation and merely use it as a cheap prop.

From: guest (aronimink) , 123 months, post #233
btw its a shame that Kelly McGillis didn't get the Amanda part in Switch. At the time she was still beautiful, and she was up for the part. According to an interview I read Kelly wanted to transition Amanda's character in a thoughtful and detailed way. We'll never know how things would have worked out, but her version of Switch could've been far more interesting than Ellen Barkin's.

From: guest , 123 months, post #234
I know that there has been a lot of discussion about pantyhose but why is that Samantha wears hosiery? I mean some characters that are males transformed into females either refuse to wear hosiery or just don't want to do so. Is Samantha doing it to be lady like and sophisticated or something? I won't lie. I love black pantyhose on women's legs but why not go bare leg? I mean it could be because when SAM was filmed, it was winter and hosiery provides a small level of protection on the legs, thighs, butt, and crotch.

From: guest (thesaint) , 123 months, post #235
This was just tweeted by Sibyl Santiago . . .

Almost done shooting #SAMTheMovie!
http://t.co/VlmDnP4tSc

From: guest , 123 months, post #236
So no more instagram pics or any other on the set scoop? I kinda miss the daily updates.

From: guest (thesaint) , 123 months, post #237
One last one of the cast and crew.

http://instagram.com/p/kBKrPfQjuN/

It looks like we won't see anymore news until the 20th. We should be so lucky. We got almost daily snap shots and then we'll get an interview. I remember the 3 years when Paradox Alice was being made and we'd see a single picture or a 1 second clip before an vague teaser trailer and finally a music video. The daily updates for Sam have been wonderful. Especially since it's it looked like the movie might not get made. I also appreciated how ambiguous the shots were so as not to spoil the whole film (despite me wanting to know more).

From: guest (thesaint) , 123 months, post #238
Here is a shot of the statue they were posing on.

http://instagram.com/p/j1m3j5hbIQ/

It's Alice and her Wonderland friends. The sculpture was constructed in 1959 by Jos� de Creeft and children are allowed to crawl all over it. Not sure if it has anything to do with the plot.

From: guest (thesaint) , 123 months, post #239
Here's the crew outside a clothing store.
http://instagram.com/p/j4-fxTFkRh/


Natalie commented on the Alice in Wonderland fountain in Liza's album and mentioned the Caterpillar. I forgot about the Caterpillar and the character seems appropriate to the theme of the movie.

"I can't explain myself, I'm afraid, sir," said Alice, "because I'm not myself, you see."

"I don't see," said the Caterpillar.

"I'm afraid I can't put it more clearly," Alice replied very politely, "for I can't understand it myself, to begin with; and being so many different sizes in a day is very confusing."

"It isn't," said the Caterpillar.

"Well, perhaps you haven't found it so yet," said Alice; "but when you have to turn into a chrysalis - you will some day, you know-and then after that into a butterfly, I should think you'll feel it a little queer, won't you?"

"Not a bit," said the Caterpillar.



From: guest (aronimink) , 123 months, post #240
Nice pickup on the Alice In Wonderland theme! Interesting, appropriate and original. I think its an indicator that a lot of thought has been put into SAM. Not just going for cheap gag laughs.

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