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From: cj
, 138 months, post #81 |
"Would anyone here want to be a tom boy if they became a woman, or
would you all just only want to be a feminine woman?"
Not so much want... I'm fairly certain I ~would~ be a tom-boy. But
I hope that I'd feel at home at "dolled-up" and girly-girl when I
want to. :-)
"Lily seems cool to me."
Indeed. Very insightful and informed too... especially about the
gender differences that many of us here chase.
"... automatic assumption that one is heterosexual unless stated
otherwise..."
Hmmm... Now there's a thought I'd never acknowledged. Thank you,
guest.
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From: guest
, 138 months, post #82 |
Oddly enough, the most misogynistic people in the public eye, I
often see are women, of the conservative Republican influence. Look
to people such as Ann Coulter for proof in that.
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From: guest (lily)
, 138 months, post #83 |
Hi Guest #79.
1) You can wear skirts and dresses even if you haven't been
magically turned into a girl. Its actually a lot of fun, sometimes,
I recommend it. I like skirts a lot, I even run and work out in
"skorts" and "skeggings" when I go to the gym.
2) Here's the thing about male-privelege. It isn't a zero-sum game.
You don't have to give up anything to give women some access and
opportunity.
I know, it really seems like get an advantage in school admissions or hiring or promotions by
way of affirmative action and diversity policies, but all those
things ever really do is get the in the door. In the absence of those policies white guys hire
white guys who went to white guy schools.
The thing is, all things are not equal. The person who gets the
diversity hire spot had to run a gauntlet of reduced expectations
and reduced access to resources to even make it to the interview.
And after he or she is hired, there is going to be a whole other
set of snares, pit-falls, and blind alleys to negotiate in order to
advance.
I am sure that you can find instances of reverse discrimination,
where a less qualified was hired instead of a better qualified white guy, That happens
because Civil Rights laws and Equal Opportunity Laws are blunt, and
imprecise and inevitably do some collateral damage. The
alternative, though, is the Gilded Age; a few white men in charge
or all the money, brown skinned people relegated to low-paying
labor or service jobs, and unmarried women segregated into pink
ghettoes like teaching and nursing and...welll, that's pretty much
it.
Thank goodness we don't live in a world like THAT any more..oh, wait
.
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From: guest (lily)
, 138 months, post #84 |
Screwed up the HTML tags.
Should have been:
I know, it really seems like MINORITIES get an advantage in school
admissions or hiring or promotions by way of affirmative action and
diversity policies, but all those things ever really do is get the
MINORITIES in the door. In the absence of those policies white guys
hire white guys who went to white guy schools...
and
I am sure that you can find instances of reverse discrimination,
where a less qualified MINORITY was hired instead of a better
qualified white guy...
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From: guest
, 138 months, post #85 |
I'm a man and I have dressed up in drag before. I have no desires
to be a woman, but I've done it for fun before. I went to a club
dressed as a woman before, it was quite a bit of fun. although I
always requested that a male friend accompany me when I went
outside in case someone clocked me as a male and wanted to beat me
up or something for breaking gender norms. But it was quite a bit
of fun. I've been trying to think of a drag name alter ego.
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From: guest
, 138 months, post #86 |
Answer this truthfully, does every human that belongs to minority
require affirmative action? I'm asking if a human being is not a
white straight male, do they need assistance even if they are
successful and one of the best at what they do? I just don't like
affirmative action. Affirmative action is racism to fight racism
which doesn't make sense at all. For example, you're basically
saying that a black applicant is screwed, helpless, and an idiot
because of their skin color so they deserve and require a helping
hand. How do you think that makes some minorities feel that some
people think of them like that? How do you think some minorities
feel about people seeing them as helpless victims? And what does
affirmative action say about white people? It says that white
people are powerful, wealthy, and top of the food chain. That
couldn't be further from the truth. There are more white people on
foodstamps and welfare in America than all minorities combined.
There are more poor white people in America than poor minorities.
Thank you, I rest my case your honor.
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From: cj
, 138 months, post #87 |
"... I rest my case..."
Good.
Because we're starting to drift off topic. Yes, I know it's almost
related but we've moved from 'almost related' to politically
deviating.
Let's push this thread back on topic:
"IF you became a woman would you have sex with men or women, or
both. Basically I'm asking would you want to try sleeping with the
NEW opposite sex or the NEW same sex? If you become a woman would
you WANT to be lesbian, bi, or heterosexual? I was just curious...
:)"
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From: guest
, 138 months, post #88 |
Sorry about going into Law and Order mode, It wasn't personal.
I'd just be curious to know if I became a woman and got physical
with a man and it turned into a relationship, would I tell even
attempt to tell him that I used to be a man? Would he believe me?
How would he feel about having sex with a male that is now in a
female body?
One question that no one has mentioned about this thread is would
you want your new female body to be that of a virgin?
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From: guest (Jayzie)
, 138 months, post #89 |
I have something to say about the "off topic" topic. Affirmative
Action laws and Equal Opportunity Laws seem good in theory but they
don't do a truly just service. All they're doing is flipping racism
and bigotry from one spectrum to another.
Every race has had their time in the crap hole, the only real thing
to do is drop all racism and "race recognition" and truly give
everyone the same opportunities. Even men and women "inequality"
solutions. If a woman can do a man's job, let her.
The only way to go towards the future is to get past the past.
Back on topic: Post @ 88, I'm not sure whether to say yes or no.
Maybe "no" to avoid the pain of the first time, or maybe "yes"
because I'd want the entirety of the experience?
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From: guest
, 138 months, post #90 |
Well not all minorities receive affirmative action. Homosexual
people do not receive it, and I'm not saying they should, but as of
now in many states its legal to FIRE someone just for being gay,
now that is F***ED up, if you ask me.
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From: guest (lily)
, 138 months, post #91 |
Because we're starting to drift off topic. Yes, I know it's almost
related but we've moved from 'almost related' to politically
deviating.
Actually. I grabbed the wheel and steered the thread into a ditch.
Sorry.
One question that no one has mentioned about this thread is would
you want your new female body to be that of a virgin?
I am guessing you mean virgo intact
-- to become a woman with an intact hymen? This is an interesting
-- if somewhat weird -- question.
The "bloody wedding sheet" thing happens to really young women --
to child brides -- in places where girls are kept in purdah until
they are ripe and ready to be traded for some goats.
Cisgendered women "lose" their hymens from all kinds of things.
Sports (riding a bike, playing soccer, gymnastic -- any thing that
requires lot of vigours and lng movement of the legs) will tear and
stretch the hymen, so that it covers less of the vaginal opening.
Using tampons also tens to wear away the hymen. In modern times, in
places where girls are allowed to play sports and are not sent off
to the "houses of blood" during her period, an adult woman is
unlikely to have an intact hymen, even if she has never had
penetrative sex.
Even if you did manage to score an adult body with an unusually
"fresh" intact hymen, you'd still need a brutal lover to experience
much pain or bleeding the first time you were penetrated.
The hymen doesn't have any nerve endings. A lover who took his
time, and thought to bring an adequate supply of lube, would be
able to initiate you with little or no pain.
Of course, if you get a vagina by non-magical/science-fictional
means, virgo intacta isn't really an option. Even if the surgeon
could do it, it would get in the way of the stents you'd use to
dilate yourself so that you'd be able to get a man up in there at
all.
Jayzie @#89 Even men and women "inequality" solutions. If a woman can do a
man's job, let her.
Here is another thing that'd surprise you. There are people who
don't think that this is necessary or good. There are people who
think that there is no such thing as "a woman who can do a man's
job". Lots of the people are in charge of hiring. Even more of
these people are in charge of classrooms and churches and school
boards and city councils and state legislatures and congressional
seats...
It would be wonderful if the same magic that could turn you into a
sexually desirable woman could transform the attitudes of the
gate-keepers who want to excluded women from economic and political
franchise -- but wishing does not make it so. If you were
transformed into a woman, your status in society really would
change.
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From: guest (lily)
, 138 months, post #92 |
WOW -- that's a lot of typos. Here's the big one:
It would be wonderful if the same magic that could turn you into a
sexually desirable VIRGIN could transform the attitudes of the
gate-keepers who want to excluded women from economic and political
franchise -- but wishing does not make it so. If you were
transformed into a woman, your status in society really would
change.
The preview buttons needs to be bigger than, and a different color
from, the "post message" button. And maybe it could flash or
something... ^_^
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From: cj
, 138 months, post #93 |
"... would you want your new female body to be that of a virgin?"
Almost always. Sometimes for the "pain", never for the blood...
always for the idea
that it's a "fresh" body, not "used".
"The preview buttons needs to be bigger than, and a different color
from, the "post message" button. And maybe it could flash or
something."
Bigger, and more bold in color or presentation - not a bad idea.
I'll mention that to Paul when I talk to him next.
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From: guest (lily)
, 138 months, post #94 |
@ Guest #80 "... such as our society's automatic assumption that
one is heterosexual unless stated otherwise."
Theres a thing I didn't notice until I started cross-living; on
internet forums like this you are assumed to be Straight-White-Male
(and to live in the lower 48 states) unless you indicate otherwise.
And, often, even when you do CLEARY and REPEATEDLY state that you
are otherwise.
Here, in particular, it is kind of assumed that everyone reading
identifies as male -- which almost makes sense.
It is worse at some of the other online places where I hang out;
mostly technology and engineering and higher-education related
forums. In some of the techie/nerdy forums I am very careful NOT to
disclose that I am female/trans/queer. A few times I've been
"outed", and the conversation has gotten hostile really fast.
Its part of the reason I use a unambiguously feminine handle here.
So that's another thing that our male-turned-female would have to
deal with. Female is the gendered state in any kind of anonymous
communication. My in-real-life name can be either a man's name or a
woman's name (the nickname form, which I use to sign checks and
memos and how my name appears on my work email address and my
business card, etc.).
It is very common for me to meet people who've previously known me
only by something I've written, or by my name on email
distributions. and be greeted: "Oh. You're a woman. Hello,"
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From: guest
, 138 months, post #95 |
Simma down now. Cheri Oteri, SNL reference.
I'm still undecided on if I'd want to swap with an existing woman
or just be magically turned into a woman. It would be interesting
to meet the woman that is now in your original male body. I wonder
if it would be like Margosha and LouisLouise with the former female
now in your body slapping you on your now female butt.
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From: guest (aras)
, 138 months, post #96 |
given the opportunity to "swap" with a genetic female I would not
give a crap about the virgin thing.
I am an attractive healthy male, so she would need to be an
attractive healthy female. age say 20s
with some 7 billion people walking the earth now, there's been a
whole lot of sex going on. Its part of who we are.
I do not see the 'act' itself as 'dirty'... just too often peoples
'intentions' about the act are dirty and perverted.
I pride myself on high standards, so my ideal swap partner would be
a woman who only partnered physically with a few very 'select'
choices. Not necessarily even choices I might approve of. For
personal pride she would be generally 'hard-to-get' but not
impossible. lol
If I would retain her body for a lifetime, I would become pregnant
and birth a child with the right man at some point. WOW, that would
be an experience! be a mom for a life
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From: guest (lily)
, 138 months, post #97 |
@ cj # 93 Almost always. Sometimes for the "pain", never for the blood...
always for the idea that it's a "fresh" body, not "used".
Why would you want it to hurt?
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From: guest (BlackAlienLiquid)
, 138 months, post #98 |
This started off as such an awesome discussion. Somehow it got
infected by the Prometheus black liquid.
If we were Bonobo-like and were able to swap, I think the
aggression would all lead to fun discussion instead of angry
debates.
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From: guest (Jayzie)
, 138 months, post #99 |
How odd... I'd do it for the blood, but not for the pain.
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From: guest
, 138 months, post #100 |
If I was turned into a woman and had a guy penetrate me, I would
hope it wouldn't hurt. Probably be a deal breaker. I'm not sure
what I would wear for sex. Torn between wearing a skirt or dress or
just going slutty and wearing a teddy, thigh highs, and stilettos.
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