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From: DaveS , 137 months, post #141
I agree with the most of the above posts that say that they love chronicstuss' work and the art he commissions from the various artists... but they are a bit formulaic.

Three that stand out because of a twist: 1) the latest one, The Prisoner, because the male shapeshifter ends the story in a female form; 2) The Sorority, because unlike the other ones, the shapeshifter gets caught because he is careless and is outsmarted; 3) The Friend, because even though the shapeshifter gets revenge (part of the formula) he comes of as semi-sympathetic and not totally cold blooded.

Plot twists are a good thing.

From: Tal , 136 months, post #142
Looks like Chronicstuss has started posting a new comic!

Page 1

http://chronicstuss.deviantart.com/#/d5s8q8b

Page 2

http://chronicstuss.deviantart.com/#/d5s8qub


From: Alias , 136 months, post #143
I wouldn't call the Friend even semi-sympathetic. It's one thing to get revenge on an organization actively pursuing you (like The Device), it's less justified to just decide to kill the head of the project when you could just walk away free and clear.

A plot twist there would have been if Alfred had acquired the formula and injected the doctor with it. Maybe it'd kill him, maybe it'd work on him.. I think it'd be more fitting than just strangling him.

This new one seems to be along the same lines as the Prisoner, I hope there's something new here to make it interesting.

From: guest (DC) , 136 months, post #144
I just found these.
What happened to the older comics mentioned?
If they look as good as this would love to read them.


From: Alias , 136 months, post #145
Chronicstuss has this thing about displaying previous comics once he commissions a new one. They're all pretty much locked away in his vault, and yes people have asked him to see old comics and been denied.

He typically has a different artist do each one, so the look varies but it's usually pretty good artwork.

From: guest (chronicstuss) , 136 months, post #146
Eventually I will repost my older works so people can view them. But I do not like archiving old works for reasons previously mentioned. As for the current work, I'm glad people are interested in reading it. I can't promise anything terribly unique (there is a basic formula) but it is more lighthearted than some of my other stories. I can promise you though that the art will be solid. I've been lucky to work with some very talented artists.

From: DaveS , 136 months, post #147
Back when Chronicstuss allowed the artwork he commissioned to be downloaded from Deviantart, I and others saved some of the series. But then someone went and ruined it by putting some of the artwork on a pay site, essentially distributing it and seeking a profit while neither Chronicstuss (who paid for the art) nor the artists get anything in return. That's probably the reason why there's no DL option on the current series.

Some off the artists like Autumn-Sacura (autumn-sacura.deviantart.com/) and salo-art (salo-art.deviantart.com) have the work they did for Chronicstuss on their own DA pages. Just look through their galleries.

From: guest (Florida Paul) , 136 months, post #148
I'd like to applaud Chronicstuss for commissioning these works. It's obvious that many people enjoy them. I disagree with DaveS that the artists get nothing in return when their work is re-posted, however. First of all, they've already been paid for their work. Secondly, they get free exposure of their work that will lead to further commissions. I think it's in any artist's best interest that his/her work gets the widest exposure.

Yes, it may seem that these pay sites are ripping off Chronicstuss, but I think that would only be true if Chronistuss had his own pay site. As it is, has anyone lost money? The artist has sold the work. He cannot make anymore money for it. Does Chronicstuss expect to make money from these works he's commissioned? I'd be interested to see his business plan.

You may also look at it this way: these paysites are providing a venue for these works. That does not come without cost. There are many 'free' sites, I know, but these are maintained by those who are either passionate about this art, or are getting income from the clicks.

I would also like to remind everyone that the great artists of the Renaissance never owned their work; they all worked on commission. Copyrights and intellectual property are modern inventions primarily created to limit the dissemination of knowledge after the invention of the printing press.

From: cj , 136 months, post #149
Making money off of someone else's work without compensating the source originator(s) is stealing - if you disagree, please give me a few examples.

" the great artists of the Renaissance never owned their work; they all worked on commission."

Yes, and if you went around copying their work and selling it - you can bet that they'd want a piece of the profits. Not to mention back then that it was much more difficult to copy the work of another without have to actually work yourself.

Your argument that the paysites have costs is moot. They do NOT have to carry the content in the first place.

It sounds to me like the problem was the site's choice to offer the work of others for a fee, WITHOUT consent or compensation to the artist or owner.

Let me put it this way. If you paid for something nice and decided to share it with your friends, and then one of those friends decided to make some money off it without offering you a cut, and more importantly without asking your permission - how long would they remain your friend? Would their actions have upset you?

From: guest (Florida Paul) , 136 months, post #150
"Making money off of someone else's work without compensating the source originator(s) is stealing" - I didn't say or imply that, and besides, the artists have already been compensated, true? Well, not Chronistuss, except for getting his name in lights. He produced it, wrote the scripts. What does he get out of it, right? Well, recognition for one thing. There’s a ton of pay sites that are looking for talent. I’m a software developer. You know there are a lot of apps you can download for free. Why? Because some guy is showcasing his talent. Because he’s hoping somebody sees what he can do and pay him big bucks to do it. You go on Deviant or Renderotica and there’s a crapload of free art, and artists looking for commissions. Same thing. So you’re saying what if somebody downloads his free app and sells it to somebody. I say caveat emptor – let the buyer beware. He could have gotten it for free if he searched for it. I don’t see how it actually harms the guy who wrote it. He didn’t lose any money, did he?

Artists copy each other’s work all the time. They did it during the renaissance they do it today. Don't you think they sold them, too? The only problem that arises from that is when one tries to sell a forgery, which is really just a kind of fraud. That doesn't take money out the pocket of the artist being forged, either, just the hapless purchaser.

As for the rest ... let me put my cards on the table. I think intellectual property rights is silly. The only way it can be enforced in this internet era is through massive government intervention, and I, personally, would not like to see that happen. Even though it's already happening - look at how music and movie downloads are being attacked. I understand the dedication this site has to intellectual property, and you really don’t know how happy I am to see people with principle out there, but I think you’re confusing the ends with the means.

We’re all finding our way in this new world, evolving new paradigms. You have Femur over there selling stuff – and giving a lot away. Infinity Sign who gives it away after, what a year? Brilliant! What will we settle into? I haven’t the foggiest, except that if you let people find their own way through this they’ll come up with a pretty elegant and clever solution.

As for your final question, my first thought was that I’d be pissed that I didn’t think of it. My second thought was, this is kind of a straw man argument. I tried thinking of a real world example and the best I could come up with is somebody selling tickets to see my house. Then I realized that’s what your point was. Somebody selling tickets to see the art work. Kind of like what the Guggenheim does.


From: cj , 136 months, post #151
"besides, the artists have already been compensated, true?"

Perhaps - but not the way that I see it. They were offered compensation by Chronistuss for a certain project with a certain outcome. Did the 3rd party even consult them and offer to present their work, or did they just do so without permission... and did they offer the artist a fair compensation for selling access to their work?

"... Don't you think they sold them, too?"

Yep, but they had to put a fair amount of work into it, so they were really getting paid for their own work - perhaps based off of someone else's idea, but it was their own work - not an exact duplicate that took almost no work at all on their part.

"... The only way it can be enforced in this internet era is through massive government intervention"

Or a really determined artist with anger management issues. :-)

"but I think you�re confusing the ends with the means."

How so? If someone was selling my work without my permission (or worse without any credit to me at all), I'd be quite upset. I'd expect to be making a fair cut of that profit for my work. Sure they may have expenses to deal with to offer and accept payments and such - but it's not their work that they are selling, they're only providing a service (that I never asked for or agreed to). Now if they'd asked.. maybe I'd have agreed to let them do whatever for no compensation.

"Somebody selling tickets to see the art work."

Brilliant answer! Well, the artists (or what-have-you) are allowing that to happen... unless they're no longer with us - then they could probably care less about any compensation we could give them. Still, that is a wonderful answer.


From: guest (Florida Paul) , 136 months, post #152
What was in the contract between Chronistuss and the artist? It seems to me you don't even need a 3rd party if Chronistuss uses it in a way the artist doesn't like, or didn't anticipate. If the artist sold all the rights to the work to Chronistuss then it's Chronistuss' problem; the artist is entirely out of the picture (get it? out of the picture?)

Now let's assume we're talking about free content. Your point is that if someone can figure out a way to make a buck out of that free content the original artist deserves compensation. I believe with the current set of laws we have he would be legally entitled, so in that sense you're absolutely right. I appeal to older law, before copyrights and intellectual property. Has the artist suffered any financial loss? Remember, he was offering this content up for free. No harm, no foul. One can even make the argument that he benefits having his work exposed to paying customers. A better class of people, from the artist's point of view; those who will actually shell out for his work rather than free riding. Potential patrons.

Or how about this: what if the pay site just provides a link to his free work on Deviant? What if that's what they do, just have links to all this free content? But you have pay to gain access to the links the pay site owner has conveniently laid out for you. Don't you think that some people wouldn't mind paying for that convenience rather than spend hours searching this stuff down on their own? Now what's the big difference? The artist can remove his stuff at will - but why would he if he wanted the world to have access to it for free? And if he does pull it down because someone is making money pointing to it, well, sounds like he's being a dog in the manger to me.

From: cj , 136 months, post #153
"What was in the contract between Chronistuss and the artist?"

Or agreement (if no actual contract). We don't know - so our arguments are merely academic.

"One can even make the argument that he benefits having his work exposed to paying customers."

Only if they were properly credited as the artist / originator of the work. I have not seen the pay-stie or material in question - but from your discussion, I assume that the artists were properly credited. So this is just a reference point for other instances.

"what if the pay site just provides a link to his free work on Deviant?"

It's a ticket to the Guggenheim. :-)

From: guest (Florida Paul) , 136 months, post #154
2nd point is well taken. I get annoyed at caps that don't credit the original artist - questionable ethics and I want to find more of their work!

I think its important to keep an open mind and think outside the box. The internet continues to evolve and those pernicious pirate sites are part of the ecology of the internet. If we want to limit or eliminate them the best way is to make them unprofitable rather than with brute force. In the meantime, artists with anger management issues will just have to do.

From: CopyKen , 135 months, post #155
The Comic by Chronicstuss has an update!

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http://chronicstuss.deviantart.com/#/d5t0k5p

Page 4
http://chronicstuss.deviantart.com/#/d5t0kc9


From: guest , 135 months, post #156
man, I really hope this story gets more creative than chronicstuss's usual stuff... like a lesbian hookup or some fun duplication. his comics have great potential, they're just really predictable.

From: Alias , 135 months, post #157
Just an early prediction here, but..
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From: CopyKen , 135 months, post #158
@Alias
Hmm.. that prediction feels like something I can agree on too
;D

From: CopyKen , 135 months, post #159
The Comic by Chronicstuss has a small update this week.

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http://chronicstuss.deviantart.com/art/Fast-Teddy-Page-5-352386192

From: trifajar , 135 months, post #160
Where is the other Chronicstuss' comic?,

there is only one comic left at http://chronicstuss.deviantart.com/

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